[Artemisia] Re: A Bit of a Rant.

[Julia Jackman-Brink]

John Gibson wrote:

> Sorry for the short answer, I think it was misinterpreted, so...

I also think you went a bit off track with MINE...I'm not knocking the 
White Scarves, They are all great noble people with specific skills. 
What I am trying to get across, especially to those who are new and may 
not be aware, is there is a difference between DWS and Peerage. Someday 
the SCA as we know it might choose to recognize a peerage in Rapier, 
maybe they won't, but until then, the DWS doesn't carry a Patent of 
Arms...and for the record, you all can quit sending me private mail, I'm 
not going to debate this issue any further.

> Now, I understand the placement of the DWS meeting at Convocation was thrown
> under "Peer Meetings" as a convenience done in trying to quickly send an
> e-mail schedule out, but if you read the message as sent it listed Peer
> Groups and you can easily include Landed Baronages in that and say they
> mistyped a tab (which was my assumption).

I think what could have saved this whole conversation was a listing by 
TIME of the meetings with no groupings. That is, "Here is the timeline 
for what we want to acheive for this day". Works for major corporations 
and there is rarely any controversy or misunderstandings.

And for the record, only SITTING Landed Baronages are above the Peers in 
the Order of Precedence. They are often included when the Crown wants 
input into the coversations at hand. When that happens is it 
specifically noted. The Former Landed and Court Baronages are 
technically placed below the Peerage and are rarely included. Most of 
those tend to be doubled into the Peerage anyway.

> Fact is a Peer Group has nothing
> to do with a Patent of Arms, but is by definition a group of equals.   A
> "Peer Circle" in the SCA refers to a meeting of OL, OP, OC, as would a
> "Peerage Meeting".

You are correct in the definition, but the SCA has a different 
recognition of the definition of "Peer". Both culturally as well as 
socially. If you are talking in the SCA context, one needs to recongize 
the difference and use it appropriately. Hence the confusion by many.

Juliana