[Artemisia] Viking settlement found, after being buried under ice for 600 years

rayzentz at aim.com rayzentz at aim.com
Fri Dec 11 00:07:38 CST 2009

 Hi, all of you vikings out there. This has been an ongoing discussion on another list, of which I am a member, but the article referenced may be of interest to some of you...



Dr. Raymond Zentz
It is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.



-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie <cayadopi at yahoo.com>
To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 9:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate

Oh!!  maybe this is the Norwegian town under ice reference. 

I found this in one article.........

"Earth's climate was in a cool period from A.D. 1400 to about A.D. 1860, dubbed 
the "Little Ice Age." This period was characterized by harsh winters, shorter 
growing seasons, and a drier climate. The decline in global temperatures was a 
modest 1/2° C, but the effects of this global cooling cycle were more pronounced 
in the higher latitudes. The Little Ice Age has been blamed for a host of human 
suffering including crop failures like the "Irish Potato Famine" and the demise 
of the medieval Viking colonies in Greenland.  Today we enjoy global 
temperatures which have warmed back to levels of the so called "Medieval Warm 
Period," which existed from approximately A.D. 1000 to A.D. 1350." 

............Which then provided a link to this NY Times article:
"At the Viking site near here, artifacts were locked in permafrost and buried 
under several feet of sand."
The article talks about the effects of global cooling, which forced people to 
move out of areas that became too cold to live in.  Now the planet is warm 
enough and had uncovered at least this one area where people used to live when 
temperatures were warmer.

From: Chris Clarke <hstead at nc.rr.com>
To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 2:10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate

Yes,  the planet HAS been this warm before.  It has even been warmer that 
this.  Remember, the nobility in France were peeved that England was 
producing the best wine in the 11th century.

However, that is NOT to say that anthropogenic greenhouse warming is NOT a 
problem.  I think that it clearly has been shown.    If you have been 
around this group long enough, you will remember I was one of the most 
ardent OPPENENTS of "global warming", but the evidence is gone beyond the 
point that it can be disputed.    Yes, there have been foils, plots and 
underhandedness, but the complete corpus of evidence is clear: Anthropogenic 
warming is occuring.  What this means in 100, 500 years, is another matter, 
but I digress.

Leslie is right...  all energy needs to be local.  Cut the petro-crap, and 
the problem of transmission.  The same can be said for water and food. 
Don't hold your breath, though.  Can't control the population if they are 
energy (water and food) independent..

Apex, NC

> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Leslie <cayadopi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ..........  When I learned that a town was discovered underneath a 
> receeding
>> glacier in Norway that clearly tells me that the globe has been this warm
>> before - and it was before the invention of cars and coal plants.)

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