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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>You're correct that I've
heard definitions of all of the Five Pillars from several Peers, including you,
at various times, and you're correct that not everyone uses those standards when
considering someone for an award, AND you're correct that all of the points need
to be considered together before recommending anyone for anything,
BUT...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>not everyone has had the
opportunity to hear the definitions that I have, we've already determined that I
don't remember it correctly so I need a refresher, and the idea behind the
discussion was to get input on the definitions and give people a rough sketch of
what is considered by Peers and what they should consider before recommending
someone.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>I thought it was a good
idea, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. :-)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>Morgan Blaidd
Du<BR>Protege and Ghillie to<BR>Baron James Ulrich MacKellar and<BR>Baroness
Rachel Ashton</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>Fei
g'wneir</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=GregO@cfdebt.com href="mailto:GregO@cfdebt.com">Greg Olsen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 07, 2003 10:52
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Artemisia] Re: thought for
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<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>> I hope to get input in defining the
Five Pillars of </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>> Peerage, so
that folks have more information on what </FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2>> they should be looking for when they start considering
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>> recommending people for
awards.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>It sounds to me like you are asking for
*how much* Prowess, or whatever someone should have. Or optionally which
factors of Prowess *must* a candidate have. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>You’ve already had Prowess defined by you
by several peers... ability, body of work, teaching, amount of
research/practice, etc. None of this is a stretch really; it’s whatever
goes into practicing/performing/passing on your skill, be it cooking,
fighting, or autocratting. Some peers may add more things to the list but the
basics almost everyone agrees on. And it is also agreed that it Prowess can’t
be considered by itself, it mainly serves perhaps a starting point and to
define what Orders may people fit into.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>These things aren’t a checklist, but if we
see a promising person we are pretty much bound to let them know where they
could improve, until they stop listening anyway, and even then still maybe. So
I guess, I’m not sure what else you want to know. And if I’m right about what
I think you are asking, you aren’t going to get an answer to those
questions.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>I'd also like to reiterate that the
discussion is going to be hamstrung if you try to stick to the so called "5
Pillars" because that idea is not universally held by the Peerages. Each
Peer has at least a slightly different take on what they are, how many
etc. You just got lucky that Prowess most everyone agrees on.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Gregory</FONT> </P>
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