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It is not my opinion<br>
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Arrow's Flight in my view holds no such conotation for me as a
combatant, Knight, Artisan or the like. <br>
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I would surmise there may be some that feel that way. I am not one of
them. <br>
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SIR William Kyle of the Wilderness. <br>
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skytech wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">This was posted today on Arrows
Flights chats. I think that you all need to see it. I am not sure who
Hanzie is, but if this is his belife of how the kingdoms should think
or how the fighters feel. Then I have joined the wrong group! Some
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">M'Lady Tula Zarazee</font></div>
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<tt><font size="4">I have said "Arrow's Flight" isn't a good name,<br>
because it is insensitive to the Crown and the<br>
Chivalry.<br>
<br>
The rebuttal consists solely of personal attacks at<br>
the Chivalry, the Crown, and myself.<br>
<br>
The rebuttal completely ignores the feelings of the<br>
Chivalry, the Crown, which is the only assertion I<br>
have made.<br>
<br>
<br>
--- Ash <</font><a href="mailto:ash0315@yahoo.com"><font size="4">ash0315@yahoo.com</font></a><font
size="4">> wrote:<br>
> Well Hanzie it may spell "problem child" to you but<br>
<br>
[[This area has had troubles in the past, and they're<br>
linked to the name "Arrow's Flight". That is an<br>
established fact, not just my opinion. Anyone<br>
disbelieving this is invited to search the last<br>
month's kingdom newsgroup archive. Search for the<br>
text string "troubles"]]<br>
<br>
> to those of us who worked hard to even have the area<br>
> recognized as a separate entity............. it's<br>
> the<br>
> result of many years of hard work.<br>
I am sure that<br>
> you<br>
> did not intend to insult those of use who have<br>
> played<br>
> in the past and are now cautiously coming back.<br>
[[Good, because I didn't insult anybody.]]<br>
<br>
[[By the way, are you someone who has "worked hard for<br>
many years" or are you a former player "now cautiously<br>
coming back"?]]<br>
<br>
>But<br>
> you are getting just a bit on the arrogant side in<br>
> suggesting that the only thing the the SCA values<br>
> are heavy fighters.<br>
[[As I never suggested that, I'm safely away from the<br>
"arrogant side".]]<br>
<br>
[[As I said before, the name irritates those whom we<br>
most need the respect of, the King and Knights. They<br>
make all the final decisions. How many times does<br>
Corpora say "The decision of the Crown is final."? <br>
The only way to get to be a final decision maker is to<br>
be a heavy combatant.]]<br>
<br>
>Ask the kings & knights how well> they<br>
> would fare without the help of the Gentles who for<br>
one<br>
> reason or another do not go out on the field. <br>
[[It looks like you have some real and deep seated<br>
resentment of the Crown and knights. Why? And which<br>
Gentles who never go out on the field are<br>
indispensable.]]<br>
<br>
>Would you last long with out the volunteers bringing<br>
the<br>
> water?<br>
[[Are you threatening the heavy fighters with a water<br>
bearer strike? Well, since you're asking... I'd guess<br>
that, at first, a few fighters would die of<br>
dehydration. Then somebody would seduce a (former)<br>
water bearer, and cunningly trick her into letting go<br>
the secret of how they are able to produce water on<br>
the battlefield, where none was before.]]<br>
<br>
[[Then, the very brightest of the heavy fighters would<br>
get together, and try to reverse engineer the parts<br>
that the former water bearer wouldn't tell. I'd<br>
imagine (and I'm really going out on a limb, folks)<br>
that fighters would: Bring their own water jugs]]<br>
<br>
[[I could, of course, be wrong, but I think that<br>
radical idea might work, and save the lives of<br>
fighters you would so callously throw away during your<br>
Water Bearer Strike]]<br>
<br>
Would you go to a Court event without Music?<br>
[[Yes, actually. I have many times. Music certainly<br>
makes it nicer, but it's far from necessary. So what?<br>
Are you planning a Musician's strike too? Should I<br>
have the misfortune to be crown when your strike hits,<br>
I shall be forced to lug my stereo to court. I'd<br>
bring the good speakers for the dancing later on.]]<br>
<br>
[[Musicians play in court because people enjoy it, not<br>
because life stops without a soundtrack.]]<br>
<br>
[[Of course, if nobody but fighters were left, there<br>
wouldn't BE any Court Only events. You can trust me<br>
on this.]]<br>
<br>
> Or a feast?<br>
[[I've eaten without music at many events. It works. <br>
I'm mostly interested in conversation with friends<br>
anyway. Does your Musician's strike hope to starve us<br>
into submission?]]<br>
<br>
[[If you're trying to somehow say that there would be<br>
no food in a heavy-fighter only SCA, all I can say is<br>
you've never heard of steak, bread, cheese and pizza. <br>
Some heavy fighters can even cook, and all can<br>
barbeque.]] <br>
<br>
>The people who lend their skills in period<br>
> lace, sewing, brewing, calligraphy, do they<br>
contribute<br>
> nothing?<br>
[[No, they contribute lace, clothing, alcoholic<br>
beverages and scrolls. Haven't you noticed?]]<br>
[[In addition to Water Bearer's and Musicians Strikes,<br>
are you arranging sympathy strikes? You seem to be<br>
planning on forcing the Crown and Chivalry into<br>
thirst, silence, nudity, sobriety and illiteracy --<br>
Worst of all, you plan to deprive heavy fighters of<br>
BOBBIN LACE! Ye Gods, how will they survive? <br>
Fortunately, it's too late for your last threat. <br>
M'Lady Ruth Wayne of the Green Hills forsaw your evil<br>
plot and secretly taught me the arcane art of bobbin<br>
lace. I have created bobbin lace, and can do it<br>
again! Hah!]] <br>
<br>
>I see nothing wrong in honoring the "little people"<br>
the ones who will never be >King.........<br>
[[Neither does the Crown, Chivalry, Heavy fighters or<br>
myself. In fact, Kings give awards to these folks<br>
that you describe as the "little people". Your<br>
point?]]<br>
<br>
> without their support and talents would there be any<br>
> point to being the King?<br>
[[These "little people" (again, your words, not mine!)<br>
Enrich the realm. Should your rebellion against the<br>
Crown and Chivalry come to pass....]]<br>
<br>
[[Yes, actually, there would be a point. The King<br>
would still sit on his throne, in gleaming armor,<br>
lording it over the Chivalry, who in turn would lord<br>
it over the rest of the fighters. Feasts would<br>
closely resemble tailgate parties, booze would be<br>
purchased rather than brewed. Music would be provided<br>
by whomever brought the boom box.]]<br>
<br>
[[There would be women at these events, because there<br>
will always be ladies who like hanging out with men<br>
full of testosterone. But nobody will dare call these<br>
ladies "little people". There would be more fighting<br>
at these events, and courts would be much shorter.]]<br>
<br>
>I do not see anything<br>
> shameful about the name. If you do, please meet me<br>
> at<br>
> fighter practice on Wed and explain to me why. <br>
> Ash <br>
[[I never said "shameful". Who said "Shameful"? Why<br>
do you associate "Shameful" with "Arrows Flight"? Why<br>
would you think that I know something "shameful" about<br>
the area that I could only discuss it in private at<br>
fighter practice?]]<br>
<br>
hanzie.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- hanzie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lordhanzie@yahoo.com"><lordhanzie@yahoo.com></a> wrote:<br>
> > Do we really want to chain our image to archery?<br>
> > <br>
> > Regardless of anyone's opinion on the opinions of<br>
> > the<br>
> > heavys, they're the Kings and Knights of the<br>
> realm. <br>
> > By intentionally saying we are first and foremost<br>
> > Archers, we say we don't care as much about the<br>
> core<br>
> > of the SCA, heavy fighters.<br>
> > <br>
> > I agree that we've worked hard at solving our<br>
> > problems. <br>
> > <br>
> > I agree with Matthew Morgon, We Need To Move On.<br>
> > <br>
> > Moving on is when you leave the bad stuff behind,<br>
> > like<br>
> > the name "Arrow's Flight" and all it's associated<br>
> > problems. Arrow's flight is synonymous in<br>
> Artemesia<br>
> > with "problem child". Ditching the name will only<br>
> > help us. <br>
> > <br>
> > If "this name has exceed where all other has<br>
> failed"<br>
> > [sic] then why does "Arrow's Flight" have such a<br>
> bad<br>
> > name? <br>
> > <br>
> > The name has actually failed, and has helped cause<br>
> > the<br>
> > present problems. Clinging to it will only hold<br>
> us<br>
> > back.<br>
> > <br>
> > > --- Matthew Morgon arrows flight sheriff<br>
> > > <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:skytech@FantasticDeals.com"><skytech@FantasticDeals.com></a> wrote:<br>
> > > > no, I think that chaining the name would not<br>
> be<br>
> > a<br>
> > > > good idea, because <br>
> > > > we have work so hard to solving or problems.<br>
> and<br>
> > > > that this area has <br>
> > > > chaining the name more then once with the same<br>
> > out<br>
> > > > come this name has <br>
> > > > exceed were all other has failed and that we<br>
> > need<br>
> > > to<br>
> > > > move on and just <br>
> > > > keep the name<br>
> > > > <br>
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=====<br>
... and God said, "Let there be a Satan, so people won't blame
everything on me." -- George Burns<br>
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