From robin@gallowglass.org Sat May 14 22:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 18533 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 2005 17:41:09 -0500 Received: from wiley.coyotetechnical.com (HELO mail.coyotetechnical.com) (qmailr@66.135.38.50) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 14 May 2005 17:41:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 4208 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 2005 18:41:08 -0400 Received: from pcp05316942pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net (HELO boris.house.gallowglass.org) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@68.84.33.37) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 14 May 2005 18:41:07 -0400 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: East Kingdom To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:46:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200505141846.12587.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] Welcome and an introduction X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:41:11 -0000 Well, I see my my magical computer, that there are 6 others besides myself subscribed to the list! Welcome everyone! I'll start the ball rolling and introduce myself. My name is Lord Robin Gallowglass, and I'm currently the East Kingdom Web Minister. I just finished a 3.5 year term as the Society's first Chief Information Architect (which has been renamed Chief Technology Officer). I've been in the SCA off and on since 1981. I was recently diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. Not too long ago, (4/28/2005 to be exact), I got light headed and woozy about 2 hours after lunch and eating a bananna. Being a Chirurgeon, and one that tends to soak up a lot of extra knowledge hanging around with the "med pros", I recognized that this could either be hypo or hyperglycemia. A co-worker has Type 2 and has a glucose meter, so I asked her to test my glucose level. It was 264. I quit drinking coca-cola cold turkey at that very instant and started making drastic dietary changes (for me) to try and get things as under control as I could before the doctors appointment. Right then and there, I accepted the fact that I probably had Type 2, made a Doctors appointment, and started monitoring my blood glucose levels as best I good with my co-workers meter. I have my first doctors appointment this past Monday, May 9th. My doc gave me a tentative diagnosis of Type 2, did an EKG, sent me for blood work and a Cardiologist. The blood was drawn the next day. I saw him again on Wednesday, the 11th, where he gave me a perscription for a meter and supplies. One of his nurses found a manufacturers sample, so I got that for free :) -- But the results of the blood work wasn't back yet, so they made another appointment for me for Saturday. I think my Doctor's office is giving me frequent flyer miles! Saw the Cardiologist on Thursday, the 12th. He wants to do a "Stress Echo" test, which is a combination of an Echocardiogram and a Stress test. I also have a slight tachycardia, which is a faster than normal heart beat rate. Saw the doc again today, and the results from the blood work were in. Definitely Type 2. My A1C was 11.3%, nearly twice the maximum of 6%, and my glucose level at the time of the test was 236. So I know have two perscriptions: 500mg of Metformin (Glucophage) twice a day and 5mg of Lisinopril once a day. The doc said that the Lisinopril, while normaly a blood pressure medication, has been shown to help protect the liver in diabetics, so I'm on that as well. Based on some research I've done, as well as recommendations from a few people, I've also started taking Chromium Picolonate and L-Arginine. And yes, my doctors know about it :) BTW, never give a newly diagnosed diabetic who's a geek a glucose meter and a healthy supply of test strips :) I'm currently testing between 6 and 10 times a day to find out how various food combinations effect my levels. Bayer as a web site where you can sign up and use their on-line blood sugar log. I've been using it, and it's great. Gives you averages as well as a printable log. You all might want to take a look at it. You can find it at http://www.bayercarediabetes.com/myAscensia/login.asp So, how about the rest of you? Robin From ZadadeGDH@aol.com Sun May 15 23:02:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 14830 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 2005 18:02:27 -0500 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 15 May 2005 18:02:26 -0500 Received: from ZadadeGDH@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id m.217.e42138 (4418) for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: ZadadeGDH@aol.com Message-ID: <217.e42138.2fb92ef6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:02:14 EDT To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_217.e42138.2fb92ef6_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_44,HTML_MESSAGE, J_CHICKENPOX_12,J_CHICKENPOX_42,J_CHICKENPOX_54,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: ** Cc: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] introduction trying this email addy as the first one maildeamon'd X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:02:28 -0000 --part1_217.e42138.2fb92ef6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable welcome to the world of figuring out which carbs do what to you. I switched from white rice to brown/wild rice or barley. White bread to the= =20 light(half calorie bread) wheat breads. Count Peas, corn, most Beans as carbs not veggies. Dairy is only milk and=20 yogurt the rest is high fat proteins. I'm zada I'm in the Outlands. Baron Omar passed your list on to me.=A0 I onl= y=20 get to visit with Easterners nowadays at Pennsic.=A0 I am the Chronicler for= the=20 most southern barony of the Outlands=A0 Citadel of the Southern Pass(El Paso= ,=20 TX) I have been a Diabetic since the mid 1990's.=A0 I controlled it by diet unti= l=20 2002 where I was put on metformin 1000mg, advandia 8mg, and lantus 17-25unit= s.=A0=20 I go on and off BP meds (ACE inhibitors) for water retention and occassional= =20 high BP's from stress. It's 2005 now and I am off the lantus, the advandia is at 4mg and the=20 metformin is still at 1000mg.=A0 Just 20lbs loss make alot of difference in=20= my meds.=A0 I=20 am going to Weight Watchers for the structure and I follow the 1800 ADA diet= =20 right now heading down to the 1500 ADA diet.=A0 I am also on a baby aspirin,= =20 multivitamin, chromium, extra C and E(if on the diabetic pack I substract th= e=20 extra E). I have switched doctors due to change in insurance. I test 1-2 times a day more if I don't feel well. Robin since you are on lisinopril check your BP daily til you see if your=20 pressure stays good. With the stress in my life from my husband's health (also diabetic but=20 insulin dependent, recent storke,=A0 6th angioplasty in 4 yrs, etc etc) my B= P is up=20 there so I am back on an ACE inhibitor and a beta blocker to get it down.= =A0 Then=20 I'm up for EKG, full blood tests, kidney function tests, chest xray and=20 probably a stress test again.=A0 (I passed my last one 2 yrs ago when I went= thru=20 Diabetic rehab) If you need help reading food labels or understanding how to figure out your= =20 new but, old medication called "Food" just hollar. Also since you're sticking yourself so often don't forget to stick before an= d=20 after exercise so you know how that will effect you as well. Remember you CAN eat anything you want just in moderation.=A0 Feed a craving= =20 before it makes you feed it. I will probably be put on lipitor whether my cholerstral is good or not as a= =20 preventive maintence measure after the blood work. Zada --part1_217.e42138.2fb92ef6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable welcome to the world of fig= uring out which carbs do what to you.
I switched from white rice to brown/wild rice or barley.  White bread t= o the light(half calorie bread) wheat breads.
Count Peas, corn, most Beans as carbs not veggies. Dairy is only milk and yo= gurt the rest is high fat proteins.


I'm zada I'm in the Outlands. Baron Omar passed your list on to me.=A0 I onl= y get to visit with Easterners nowadays at Pennsic.=A0 I am the Chronicler f= or the most southern barony of the Outlands=A0 Citadel of the Southern Pass(= El Paso, TX)

I have been a Diabetic since the mid 1990's.=A0 I controlled it by diet unti= l 2002 where I was put on metformin 1000mg, advandia 8mg, and lantus 17-25un= its.=A0 I go on and off BP meds (ACE inhibitors) for water retention and occ= assional high BP's from stress.

It's 2005 now and I am off the lantus, the advandia is at 4mg and the metfor= min is still at 1000mg.=A0 Just 20lbs loss make alot of difference in my med= s.=A0 I am going to Weight Watchers for the structure and I follow the 1800=20= ADA diet right now heading down to the 1500 ADA diet.=A0 I am also on a baby= aspirin, multivitamin, chromium, extra C and E(if on the diabetic pack I su= bstract the extra E).

I have switched doctors due to change in insurance.

I test 1-2 times a day more if I don't feel well.

Robin since you are on lisinopril check your BP daily til you see if your pr= essure stays good.

With the stress in my life from my husband's health (also diabetic but insul= in dependent, recent storke,=A0 6th angioplasty in 4 yrs, etc etc) my BP is=20= up there so I am back on an ACE inhibitor and a beta blocker to get it down.= =A0 Then I'm up for EKG, full blood tests, kidney function tests, chest xray= and probably a stress test again.=A0 (I passed my last one 2 yrs ago when I= went thru Diabetic rehab)

If you need help reading food labels or understanding how to figure out your= new but, old medication called "Food" just hollar.


Also since you're sticking yourself so often don't forget to stick before an= d after exercise so you know how that will effect you as well.


Remember you CAN eat anything you want just in moderation.=A0 Feed a craving= before it makes you feed it.


I will probably be put on lipitor whether my cholerstral is good or not as a= preventive maintence measure after the blood work.

Zada

 --part1_217.e42138.2fb92ef6_boundary-- From robin@gallowglass.org Mon May 16 02:35:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 8558 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 2005 21:35:43 -0500 Received: from wiley.coyotetechnical.com (HELO mail.coyotetechnical.com) (qmailr@66.135.38.50) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 May 2005 21:35:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 13351 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 2005 22:35:41 -0400 Received: from pcp05316942pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net (HELO boris.house.gallowglass.org) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@68.84.33.37) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 15 May 2005 22:35:40 -0400 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: East Kingdom To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Subject: Re: [EK-Diabetes] introduction trying this email addy as the first one maildeamon'd Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:40:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <217.e42138.2fb92ef6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <217.e42138.2fb92ef6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200505152240.58943.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 02:35:50 -0000 On Sunday 15 May 2005 19:02, ZadadeGDH@aol.com wrote: > Robin since you are on lisinopril check your BP daily til you see if your > pressure stays good. Actually, my BP is just fine. I'm not on the lisinopril for High BP, I'm on it because my doc says that they've found it helps protect the kidneys in diabetics. > Zada Robin From soothsyr@optonline.net Mon May 16 04:25:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 24931 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 2005 23:25:33 -0500 Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (167.206.4.199) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 15 May 2005 23:25:33 -0500 Received: from magician (ool-18e4311d.dyn.optonline.net [24.228.49.29]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with SMTP id <0IGK00IPXEYEZS@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 00:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 00:24:59 -0400 From: Lois Fitzpatrick To: "'ek-diabetes@gallowglass.org'" Message-id: <001c01c559cf$3947b430$6401a8c0@magician> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] Intro X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: soothsyr@optonline.net, EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 04:25:35 -0000 OK. My turn. I was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes more than 35 years ago, so that sort of makes me an old-timer at this stuff. In some ways, Type 1 (also called juvenile-onset) diabetes is a *whole* different animal from Type 2. There seems to be less flexibility in dealing with Type 1, which requires insulin, as opposed to the oral agents a Type 2 person can take. There is also the problem of being what is called a "brittle" diabetic. This means that my sugar level tends to have a mind of it's own. My sugar can drop very suddenly, for no apparent reason. One doctor, when I was growing up, did not believe it - until my sugar level went from 308 to 64 in the space of 3 minutes, in his office! I guess you could say I still have a lot of problems dealing with my condition. Maybe with support from other SCA folk that could change. Elena Norreys From randy@randygoldberg.net Mon May 16 10:23:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 24161 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2005 05:23:01 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (204.127.202.59) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 05:23:01 -0500 Received: from 28g7y61 (pcp09276733pcs.midltn01.nj.comcast.net[69.141.187.217]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <200505161022550140034jtke>; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:22:55 +0000 From: Avraham haRofeh To: X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.3 (2110) - Licensed Version Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 06:23:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20055166234.091765@28g7y61> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_44 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] An introduction X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: avrahamharofeh@herald.sca.org, EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:23:03 -0000 >=A0Saw the doc again today, and the results from the blood work were in. >=A0Definitely Type 2. =A0My A1C was 11.3%, nearly twice the maximum of 6%, and= my >=A0glucose level at the time of the test was 236. =A0So I know have two >=A0perscriptions: =A0500mg of Metformin (Glucophage) twice a day and 5mg of >=A0Lisinopril once a day. =A0The doc said that the Lisinopril, while normaly a >=A0blood pressure medication, has been shown to help protect the liver in >=A0diabetics, so I'm on that as well. Actually, the lisinopril protects the kidneys, not the liver. >=A0Based on some research I've done, as well as recommendations from a few >=A0people, I've also started taking Chromium Picolonate and L-Arginine. =A0And >=A0yes, my doctors know about it :) I'm not sure what the arginine is expected to do, but chromium picolinate= was theorized to improve carbohydrate metabolism, which is why it was the= hot diet thing 10 years ago. It won't hurt you, but it's since been proven= ineffective. >=A0BTW, never give a newly diagnosed diabetic who's a geek a glucose meter= and a >=A0healthy supply of test strips :) =A0I'm currently testing between 6 and 10 >=A0times a day to find out how various food combinations effect my levels. Just be aware that your insurance may not pay if you go through strips too= fast. Most won't pay for more than 4 strips a day, and Medicare won't pay= for more than 1 strip per day unless you're taking insulin shots! I'm not a diabetic, but I am mundanely a general internist with specific= training in weight and diabetes management. I offered to join this group as= the "medical authority" (of course, what YOUR doctor tells YOU supersedes= anything I might say, since I haven't examined you!). **************** Reb Avraham haRofeh (mka Randy Goldberg MD) Quarterly azure and argent, four mascles counterchanged RandomTag: Politics: Passing the buck or passing the doe. From robin@gallowglass.org Mon May 16 11:33:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 30587 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2005 06:33:35 -0500 Received: from exp03.cyber.com (HELO 10.20.1.69) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@207.8.185.226) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 06:33:34 -0500 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: House Gallowglass To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group Subject: Re: [EK-Diabetes] An introduction Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:34:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20055166234.091765@28g7y61> In-Reply-To: <20055166234.091765@28g7y61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200505160734.04828.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_44,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:33:36 -0000 On Monday 16 May 2005 06:23, Avraham haRofeh wrote: > >=A0Saw the doc again today, and the results from the blood work were in. > >=A0Definitely Type 2. =A0My A1C was 11.3%, nearly twice the maximum of 6= %, and > > my glucose level at the time of the test was 236. =A0So I know have two > > perscriptions: =A0500mg of Metformin (Glucophage) twice a day and 5mg of > > Lisinopril once a day. =A0The doc said that the Lisinopril, while norma= ly a > > blood pressure medication, has been shown to help protect the liver in > > diabetics, so I'm on that as well. > > Actually, the lisinopril protects the kidneys, not the liver. Whops, you're right. That's what I get for responding late at night :) > > >=A0Based on some research I've done, as well as recommendations from a f= ew > >=A0people, I've also started taking Chromium Picolonate and L-Arginine. = =A0And > >=A0yes, my doctors know about it :) > > I'm not sure what the arginine is expected to do, but chromium picolinate It's supposed to help regulate blood glucose levels as well. > was theorized to improve carbohydrate metabolism, which is why it was the > hot diet thing 10 years ago. It won't hurt you, but it's since been proven > ineffective. Got any studies you can point out to me? I like being an "informed=20 consumer" :) > > >=A0BTW, never give a newly diagnosed diabetic who's a geek a glucose met= er > > and a healthy supply of test strips :) =A0I'm currently testing between= 6 > > and 10 times a day to find out how various food combinations effect my > > levels. > > Just be aware that your insurance may not pay if you go through strips too > fast. Most won't pay for more than 4 strips a day, and Medicare won't pay > for more than 1 strip per day unless you're taking insulin shots! My doc was very pleased at how often (at least this early in the treatment)= I=20 was checking my levels and my desire to find out exactly how various foods= =20 and exercise effect it. If my insurance company gives me any flack, I thin= k=20 he'll back me up. > > I'm not a diabetic, but I am mundanely a general internist with specific > training in weight and diabetes management. I offered to join this group = as > the "medical authority" (of course, what YOUR doctor tells YOU supersedes > anything I might say, since I haven't examined you!). And thank you for joining! > > **************** > Reb Avraham haRofeh (mka Randy Goldberg MD) Robin From lordjuanxavier@hotmail.com Mon May 16 13:15:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 9605 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2005 08:15:18 -0500 Received: from bay21-f28.bay21.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.233.117) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 08:15:18 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 May 2005 06:15:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.222.187.42 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2005 13:15:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.222.187.42] X-Originating-Email: [lordjuanxavier@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lordjuanxavier@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200505141846.12587.robin@gallowglass.org> From: "Juan Xavier" To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Bcc: Subject: RE: [EK-Diabetes] introduction Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:15:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2005 13:15:12.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A9D6B40:01C55A19] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_44, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:15:19 -0000 Hi, I’m Juan Lazaro Ramirez Xavier, Baron Stonemarche. Most people call me Xavier. My wife, Maria has been Type 1 for about 14 years. It started while she was pregnant with our daughter Amanda. She began using an insulin pump about 6 years ago, if memory serves. It has definitely helped regulate her sugar levels, though she still has some trouble at times. We’ve camped at Pennsic for the last 12 years and have had good years and bad. Two years ago was very hot. We spent a day in the chirurgeons tent and eventually the ER after she got dehydrated and pretty sick. Her immune system isn’t what it used to be. Being a spouse of a diabetic for so long, I have become a bit of an early warning system for her. Sometimes I can sense something is a bit off and say, “Have you checked your sugars lately?” Then she will, to find she’s at 50 and hadn’t realized it herself because she was still fully functioning. My wife likens me to those dogs that can sense a low blood sugar by smell from the change in body chemistry. Xavier From randy@randygoldberg.net Tue May 17 02:09:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 9953 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2005 21:09:30 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (204.127.202.64) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 21:09:30 -0500 Received: from 28g7y61 (pcp09276733pcs.midltn01.nj.comcast.net[69.141.187.217]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005051702092301600cf0jse>; Tue, 17 May 2005 02:09:24 +0000 From: Randy Goldberg MD To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.3 (2110) - Licensed Version Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <200551622932.290124@28g7y61> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] Diabetes and its treatments X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: randy@randygoldberg.net, EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 02:09:41 -0000 Robin, if you're going to build a FAQ, this probably belongs in it. Let me start with some definitions and some physiology. Diabetes refers to excessive urination (I'm not sure of the etymology of the= word). Diabetes insipidus (so called because the urine is flavorless, or= "insipid") results from an abnormality of Anti-Diuretic Hormone (either= failure to produce it, or failure to respond to it). Diabetes mellitus= (from the Latin word for "honey", because the urine tastes sweet) results= from abnormalities in sugar metabolism. Under the rubric of diabetes mellitus, there are really two entirely= different diseases. Type 1 DM results from a total (or near-total) lack of= insulin production in the body. Insulin is a key hormone, as it "opens the= floodgates" that allow glucose to pass from the bloodstream into the cells.= No insulin, glucose stays in the bloodstream, the kidneys are so= overwhelmed by sugar that it spills over into the urine, and eventually= cells starve, releasing toxic ketones and acids (the condition called,= quite appropriately, "diabetic ketoacidosis"). Typically, Type 1 diabetics= are lacking in the beta-cells of the pancreatic Islets of Langerhans, which= are the cells that make insulin. No one is quite sure why the beta cells= disappear, although it is surmised that it is an auto-immune disorder,= possibly triggered by a viral infection. It is quite rare for Type 1= diabetics to be initially diagnosed after age 20, and almost unheard-of= after age 30. Type 2 DM is a very different kettle of fish. Type 2 DM is characterized by= insulin resistance - the body makes insulin, but the cells fail to respond= to it. In fact, to overcome the resistance, the body makes MORE insulin.= For a while, the excess insulin will compensate for the cellular= resistance, keeping the blood sugar normal - this hyperinsulinemic state is= sometimes called "pre-diabetes" or "the metabolic syndrome." The excess of= circulating insulin causes other problems, including abnormalities of= LDL-cholesterol and triglycerides, as well as an apparent direct toxic= effect on the heart. That's why Type 2 diabetics are at increased risk of= heart attack, even if their cholesterols are normal. Eventually, the insulin resistance increases to the point that maximal= insulin production is no longer sufficient to keep the blood sugar levels= controlled, and the levels begin to rise. At this point, the patient has= full-blown diabetes. The pancreas, unfortunately, appears to have a= "lifetime maximum" on the amount of insulin it can make; if the patient= overproduces long enough, the pancreas "burns out" and stops making= insulin. That's why some Type 2 diabetics need insulin injections - they= can't make enough on their own to compensate for the insulin resistance= because their pancreas has burned out (or because their insulin resistance= has become too severe). Drugs in the sulfonylurea class (Glucotrol, for instance) act by= continuously stimulating the pancreas to produce more insulin. This works= to control glucose levels, but does not address the consequences of high= insulin levels, and pushes the pancreas to burn out quicker. These were= first-line therapy 10 years ago; today, they're third-line if used at all. Prandin and Starlix are "gated insulin secretagogues" - like the= sulfonylureas, they increase insulin production, but only in response to a= normal food stimulus (unlike the sulfonylureas, which increase production= all the time). Drugs in the thiazolidinedione (aka "glitazones") class (Avandia and Actos)= act by reducing insulin resistance directly at the level of the muscle= cell. While this is quite successful at lowering glucose levels, somehow= it's not as successful at lowering insulin levels. Metformin (Glucophage) is the ringer in the pack; it has no direct effect on= insulin or blood sugar, but instead acts to blockade synthesis of glucose= from fats and amino acids in the liver (a process called gluconeogenesis).= Somehow, blocking gluconeogenesis is the key to lowering insulin levels; of= all the oral agents, metformin is the most successful at reducing= circulating insulin. This makes metformin the first line treatment for most= Type 2 diabetics. It must be used cautiously in patients with liver disease= or mild kidney disease, and cannot be used at all if kidney disease is= severe. **************** Randy Goldberg MD RandomTag: Politically correct euphemisms are for the differently-brained. From robin@gallowglass.org Thu May 26 17:32:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 25676 invoked by uid 0); 26 May 2005 12:32:11 -0500 Received: from exp03.cyber.com (HELO 10.20.1.69) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@207.8.185.226) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 12:32:11 -0500 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: House Gallowglass To: "EK Diabetes support/discussion group" Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:32:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200505261332.28730.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] ***grumble** X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:32:14 -0000 It seems no matter what I do, my morning blood sugar levels are high. During the week, I get up at 6am, and take my first reading at 7am or there abouts. For instance, yesterday, my 7am level was 239, so I was very careful with carbs at breakfast and lunch. My noon level was 132 and then 6pm (just before diner, it was 124!! I was extra careful at dinner. I think I had maybe 8 or 10 grams of carbs total (Broiled Chicken, maybe a 1/4 cup, no more than 1/2 a cup of steamed carrots), and my 7am level this morning was 201!!!! I don't think I ate more than 20 grams of carbs the whole day. GRRRRRRRR!!!! I'm currently on 500mg of Metformin twice a day. I take it with Breakfast and Dinner. What am I doing wrong? Robin From avrahamharofeh@herald.sca.org Thu May 26 21:04:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 21534 invoked by uid 0); 26 May 2005 16:04:06 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (216.148.227.89) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 16:04:06 -0500 Received: from 28g7y61 (pcp09276733pcs.midltn01.nj.comcast.net[69.141.187.217]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005052621040001400qskihe>; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:04:00 +0000 From: Avraham haRofeh To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.3 (2110) - Licensed Version Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:03:59 -0400 Message-ID: <200552617359.107418@28g7y61> In-Reply-To: <200505261332.28730.robin@gallowglass.org> Subject: Re: [EK-Diabetes] ***grumble** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_44 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:39:50 -0500 X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: avrahamharofeh@herald.sca.org, EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:04:07 -0000 >=A0It seems no matter what I do, my morning blood sugar levels are high.= =A0During >=A0the week, I get up at 6am, and take my first reading at 7am or there= abouts. > >=A0For instance, yesterday, my 7am level was 239, so I was very careful with >=A0carbs at breakfast and lunch. =A0My noon level was 132 and then 6pm (just >=A0before diner, it was 124!! =A0I was extra careful at dinner. =A0I think I had >=A0maybe 8 or 10 grams of carbs total (Broiled Chicken, maybe a 1/4 cup, no= more >=A0than 1/2 a cup of steamed carrots), and my 7am level this morning was= 201!!!! >=A0I don't think I ate more than 20 grams of carbs the whole day. >=A0GRRRRRRRR!!!! > >=A0I'm currently on 500mg of Metformin twice a day. =A0I take it with Breakfast= and >=A0Dinner. =A0What am I doing wrong? Probably nothing, except you probably need more metformin. Metformin acts to= block synthesis of sugar by the liver, a process called gluconeogenesis.= Gluconeogenesis mostly happens during the night - so your doctor probably= needs to boost your evening dose to 1000mg. At least, that's what I'd do. **************** Reb Avraham haRofeh (mka Randy Goldberg MD) Quarterly azure and argent, four mascles counterchanged RandomTag: Every government is run by liars. From ZadadeGDH@aol.com Fri May 27 18:57:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 21573 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2005 13:57:13 -0500 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (205.188.139.136) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 13:57:12 -0500 Received: from ZadadeGDH@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id m.1a3.34968841 (16781) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:57:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ZadadeGDH@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.34968841.2fc8c77c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:57:00 EDT To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a3.34968841.2fc8c77c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] Re: ek-diabetes Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:57:40 -0000 --part1_1a3.34968841.2fc8c77c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What Reb said .... Your body is still adjusting to the meds and the change in eating habits. Right now with my ever so slow weight loss my meds are also getting decreased. I'm on 4mg of advandia and 500 metformin twice a day. I used to take 20 units of Lantus, 8mg advandia, and 1000 metformin twice a day. You might also want to think about adding say 15 minutes of walking at night.....to rev up the system to use the sugar as well. oh instead of the carrots try something green in it's place put your carbs into your meal during your most active time.... So example of my sugars I run 110-130 in the AM I eat my main amount of carbs at breakfast, some carbs at lunch and try to have just one portion of carb in the evening. My sugars maybe in the 180's by the end of the day. Now it does not help that I live in a big Mexican food area.... but if I figure it in I can have my burrito and eat it too. Food Buying suggestions Buy the "Light" Wheat breads 40 cal per slice instead of 80 if you are a bread eater. I'm trying the low carb tortillas I'll tell ya how they taste in the future for grains the ones that take a long time to cook also take longer to raise your blood sugar.... And remember something might be low carb but high fat It might say sugar free but not be carb free and fat free usually means carb high. It's all a substituting game. And usually not worth the increase in the cost for the item. Zada working on taking care of the NOW so I have time for the LATER --part1_1a3.34968841.2fc8c77c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What Reb said ....

Your body is still adjusting to the meds and the change in eating habits.&nb= sp;

Right now with my ever so slow weight loss my meds are also getting decrease= d.  I'm on 4mg of advandia and 500 metformin twice a day.  I used=20= to take 20 units of Lantus, 8mg advandia, and 1000 metformin twice a day.
You might also want to think about adding say 15 minutes of walking at night= .....to rev up the system to use the sugar as well.

oh instead of the carrots  try something green in it's place put your c= arbs into your meal during your most active time....

So example of my sugars  I run 110-130 in the AM  I eat my main am= ount of carbs  at breakfast,   some carbs at lunch and try to= have just one portion of carb in the evening.  My sugars maybe in the=20= 180's by the end of the day.

Now it does not help that I live in a big Mexican food area.... but if I fig= ure it in I can have my burrito and eat it too.


Food Buying suggestions

Buy the "Light" Wheat breads  40 cal per slice instead of 80  if y= ou are a bread eater.

I'm trying the low carb tortillas I'll tell ya how they taste in the future<= BR>
for grains  the ones that take a long time to cook also take longer to=20= raise your blood sugar....

And remember  something might be low carb but high fat 

It might say sugar free but not be carb free

and fat free usually means carb high.

It's all a substituting game.  And usually not worth the increase in th= e cost for the item.

Zada
working on taking care of the NOW so I have time for the LATER --part1_1a3.34968841.2fc8c77c_boundary-- From robin@gallowglass.org Fri May 27 20:25:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 5111 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2005 15:25:18 -0500 Received: from wiley.coyotetechnical.com (HELO mail.coyotetechnical.com) (qmailr@66.135.38.50) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 27 May 2005 15:25:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 12356 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2005 16:25:15 -0400 Received: from pcp05316942pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net (HELO boris.house.gallowglass.org) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@68.84.33.37) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 16:25:15 -0400 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: East Kingdom To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group Subject: Re: [EK-Diabetes] Re: ek-diabetes Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:26:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1a3.34968841.2fc8c77c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3.34968841.2fc8c77c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200505271626.32540.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:25:21 -0000 On Friday 27 May 2005 14:57, ZadadeGDH@aol.com wrote: > Food Buying suggestions > > Buy the "Light" Wheat breads 40 cal per slice instead of 80 if you are a > bread eater. We found that Rye Bread and Pumpernickle are only about 13grams of carbs per slice.... > Zada > working on taking care of the NOW so I have time for the LATER Robin From robin@gallowglass.org Fri Jun 03 15:45:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 951 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2005 10:45:10 -0500 Received: from exp03.cyber.com (HELO 10.20.1.69) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@207.8.185.226) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 10:45:08 -0500 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: House Gallowglass To: avrahamharofeh@herald.sca.org, EK Diabetes support/discussion group Subject: Re: [EK-Diabetes] ***grumble** Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:45:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <200552617359.107418@28g7y61> In-Reply-To: <200552617359.107418@28g7y61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506031145.41623.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:45:24 -0000 > Probably nothing, except you probably need more metformin. Metformin acts > to block synthesis of sugar by the liver, a process called gluconeogenesis. > Gluconeogenesis mostly happens during the night - so your doctor probably > needs to boost your evening dose to 1000mg. At least, that's what I'd do. And that's what he did :) I also had my stress echo test. No blockages, no build-ups, everything looks good. The 5 min. of Doctor speak boils down to "I'm a geek that sits on his ass most of the day and needs to exercise more". Heh. But I already knew that :) > > **************** > Reb Avraham haRofeh (mka Randy Goldberg MD) Robin From robin@gallowglass.org Tue Jun 07 14:37:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 26610 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2005 09:37:22 -0500 Received: from exp03.cyber.com (HELO 10.20.1.69) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@207.8.185.226) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 09:37:22 -0500 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: House Gallowglass To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:38:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506071038.22180.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] Pennsic X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:37:50 -0000 So, how many of us are going to Pennsic? What do you think of maybe having some sort of "support group" where we all can get together in the morning, trade tips and hints, and check our blood glucose levels? If there's interest, I think I can convince the War Chirurgeon to let us use the social tent they have. Robin From ZadadeGDH@aol.com Tue Jun 07 17:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 683 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2005 12:52:03 -0500 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (64.12.137.5) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 12:52:02 -0500 Received: from ZadadeGDH@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id m.15.4655edc5 (4214) for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: ZadadeGDH@aol.com Message-ID: <15.4655edc5.2fd738b4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:51:48 EDT To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15.4655edc5.2fd738b4_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [EK-Diabetes] Re: ek-diabetes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:52:13 -0000 --part1_15.4655edc5.2fd738b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unfortunately I'm not able to go to War this year. Not from my health but from the hubby's. Hopefully I'll be able to go next year. Zada --part1_15.4655edc5.2fd738b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unfortunately I'm not able=20= to go to War this year.  Not from my health but from the hubby's.

Hopefully I'll be able to go next year.

Zada --part1_15.4655edc5.2fd738b4_boundary-- From lordjuanxavier@hotmail.com Tue Jun 07 19:02:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 10125 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2005 14:02:20 -0500 Received: from bay21-f6.bay21.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.233.95) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 14:02:19 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:02:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.222.187.42 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:02:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.222.187.42] X-Originating-Email: [lordjuanxavier@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lordjuanxavier@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200506071038.22180.robin@gallowglass.org> From: "Juan Xavier" To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Bcc: Subject: RE: [EK-Diabetes] Pennsic Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:02:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2005 19:02:14.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A8DCE50:01C56B93] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:02:21 -0000 Maria and I will be at Pennsic. She will be there from Land Grab till we leave on the last Saturday. I will arrive in the middle of the first week. We're not sure of our schedule while at War yet, but I'll pass on the "support group" idea to her. Xavier >From: Lord Robin Gallowglass >Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion >group >To: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org >Subject: [EK-Diabetes] Pennsic >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:38:22 -0400 > >So, how many of us are going to Pennsic? > >What do you think of maybe having some sort of "support group" where we all >can get together in the morning, trade tips and hints, and check our blood >glucose levels? > >If there's interest, I think I can convince the War Chirurgeon to let us >use >the social tent they have. > >Robin >_______________________________________________ >ek-diabetes mailing list >ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org >http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/ek-diabetes From greatscot@greatscotmagic.com Tue Jun 07 20:48:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 25128 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2005 15:48:09 -0500 Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (68.168.78.205) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 15:48:09 -0500 Received: from greatscotmagic.com ([68.171.232.182]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050607204757.CDEN13270.mta11.adelphia.net@greatscotmagic.com>; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <42A60803.4080109@greatscotmagic.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:48:03 -0400 From: Stuart Joseph Organization: The Great Scot, Magician User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group Subject: Re: [EK-Diabetes] Pennsic References: <200506071038.22180.robin@gallowglass.org> In-Reply-To: <200506071038.22180.robin@gallowglass.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: greatscot@greatscotmagic.com, EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:48:11 -0000 Robin, Sounds like a great idea, at least we could get to meet each other and trade places to eat that would fit into our diets! Lord Robin Gallowglass wrote: >So, how many of us are going to Pennsic? > >What do you think of maybe having some sort of "support group" where we all >can get together in the morning, trade tips and hints, and check our blood >glucose levels? > >If there's interest, I think I can convince the War Chirurgeon to let us use >the social tent they have. > >Robin >_______________________________________________ >ek-diabetes mailing list >ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org >http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/ek-diabetes > > > > -- Stuart Joseph, 802-463-1954 The Great Scot, Magician http://www.greatscotmagic.com. Historic & Multi-epoch Entertainer Expert in Historical, Scottish, & Celtic Magic Historic & Period Magic, Props, Coaching & Consulting Tartan Press: historic and out-of-print books in e-book format 36 Front St., Bellows Falls, VT 05101 USA From robin@gallowglass.org Tue Jun 07 20:50:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: lists.gallowglass.org-ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org Received: (qmail 25894 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2005 15:50:13 -0500 Received: from exp03.cyber.com (HELO 10.20.1.69) (davew@coyotetechnical.com@207.8.185.226) by wiley.coyotetechnical.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 15:50:12 -0500 From: Lord Robin Gallowglass Organization: House Gallowglass To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group Subject: Re: [EK-Diabetes] Pennsic Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:51:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <200506071038.22180.robin@gallowglass.org> <42A60803.4080109@greatscotmagic.com> In-Reply-To: <42A60803.4080109@greatscotmagic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506071651.11789.robin@gallowglass.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on wiley.coyotetechnical.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ek-diabetes@lists.gallowglass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Id: EK Diabetes support/discussion group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:50:45 -0000 On Tuesday 07 June 2005 16:48, Stuart Joseph wrote: > Robin, > Sounds like a great idea, at least we could get to meet each other and > trade places to eat that would fit into our diets! Anybody else? > > Lord Robin Gallowglass wrote: > >So, how many of us are going to Pennsic? > > > >What do you think of maybe having some sort of "support group" where we > > all can get together in the morning, trade tips and hints, and check our > > blood glucose levels? > > > >If there's interest, I think I can convince the War Chirurgeon to let us > > use the social tent they have. > > > >Robin Robin From nobody Sun Feb 26 17:27:28 2006 Received: (qmail 21572 invoked by uid 0); 26 Feb 2006 16:45:27 -0600 Received: from pool-68-238-195-126.phil.east.verizon.net (HELO ?192.168.0.4?) 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