[Artemisia] kingdom Attention

[Wm. Kyle]

It is not my opinion

Arrow's Flight in my view holds no such conotation for me as a 
combatant, Knight, Artisan or the like.

I would surmise there may be some that feel that way.  I am not one of 
them. 

SIR William Kyle of the Wilderness.



skytech wrote:

> This was posted today on Arrows Flights chats.  I think that you all 
> need to see it.  I am not sure who Hanzie is, but if this is his 
> belife of how the kingdoms should think or how the fighters feel.  
> Then I have joined the wrong group!  Some one please tell me this is 
> not true!
> M'Lady Tula Zarazee
> ______________________________________________________________
>
> I have said "Arrow's Flight" isn't a good name,
> because it is insensitive to the Crown and the
> Chivalry.
>
> The rebuttal consists solely of personal attacks at
> the Chivalry, the Crown, and myself.
>
> The rebuttal completely ignores the feelings of the
> Chivalry, the Crown, which is the only assertion I
> have made.
>
>
> --- Ash <ash0315 at yahoo.com <mailto:ash0315 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Well Hanzie it may spell "problem child" to you but
>
> [[This area has had troubles in the past, and they're
> linked to the name "Arrow's Flight".  That is an
> established fact, not just my opinion.  Anyone
> disbelieving this is invited to search the last
> month's kingdom newsgroup archive.  Search for the
> text string "troubles"]]
>
> > to those of us who worked hard to even have the area
> > recognized as a separate entity............. it's
> > the
> > result of many years of hard work.
> I am sure that
> > you
> > did not intend to insult those of use who have
> > played
> > in the past and are now cautiously coming back.
> [[Good, because I didn't insult anybody.]]
>
> [[By the way, are you someone who has "worked hard for
> many years" or are you a former player "now cautiously
> coming back"?]]
>
> >But
> > you are getting just a bit on the arrogant side in
> > suggesting that the only thing the the SCA values
> > are heavy fighters.
> [[As I never suggested that, I'm safely away from the
> "arrogant side".]]
>
> [[As I said before, the name irritates those whom we
> most need the respect of, the King and Knights.  They
> make all the final decisions.  How many times does
> Corpora say "The decision of the Crown is final."?
> The only way to get to be a final decision maker is to
> be a heavy combatant.]]
>
> >Ask the kings & knights how well> they
> > would fare without the help of the Gentles who for
> one
> > reason or another do not go out on the field.
> [[It looks like you have some real and deep seated
> resentment of the Crown and knights.  Why?  And which
> Gentles who never go out on the field are
> indispensable.]]
>
> >Would you last long with out the volunteers bringing
> the
> > water?
> [[Are you threatening the heavy fighters with a water
> bearer strike?  Well, since you're asking... I'd guess
> that, at first, a few fighters would die of
> dehydration.  Then somebody would seduce a (former)
> water bearer, and cunningly trick her into letting go
> the secret of how they are able to produce water on
> the battlefield, where none was before.]]
>
> [[Then, the very brightest of the heavy fighters would
> get together, and try to reverse engineer the parts
> that the former water bearer wouldn't tell.  I'd
> imagine (and I'm really going out on a limb, folks)
> that fighters would: Bring their own water jugs]]
>
> [[I could, of course, be wrong, but I think that
> radical idea might work, and save the lives of
> fighters you would so callously throw away during your
> Water Bearer Strike]]
>
> Would you go to a Court event without Music?
> [[Yes, actually.  I have many times.  Music certainly
> makes it nicer, but it's far from necessary.  So what?
> Are you planning a Musician's strike too?  Should I
> have the misfortune to be crown when your strike hits,
> I shall be forced to lug my stereo to court.  I'd
> bring the good speakers for the dancing later on.]]
>
> [[Musicians play in court because people enjoy it, not
> because life stops without a soundtrack.]]
>
> [[Of course, if nobody but fighters were left, there
> wouldn't BE any Court Only events.  You can trust me
> on this.]]
>
> > Or a feast?
> [[I've eaten without music at many events.  It works.
> I'm mostly interested in conversation with friends
> anyway.  Does your Musician's strike hope to starve us
> into submission?]]
>
> [[If you're trying to somehow say that there would be
> no food in a heavy-fighter only SCA, all I can say is
> you've never heard of steak, bread, cheese and pizza.
> Some heavy fighters can even cook, and all can
> barbeque.]]
>
> >The people who lend their skills in period
> > lace, sewing, brewing, calligraphy, do they
> contribute
> > nothing?
> [[No, they contribute lace, clothing, alcoholic
> beverages and scrolls.  Haven't you noticed?]]
> [[In addition to Water Bearer's and Musicians Strikes,
> are you arranging sympathy strikes?  You seem to be
> planning on forcing the Crown and Chivalry into
> thirst, silence, nudity, sobriety and illiteracy --
> Worst of all, you plan to deprive heavy fighters of
> BOBBIN LACE!  Ye Gods, how will they survive?
> Fortunately, it's too late for your last threat.
> M'Lady Ruth Wayne of the Green Hills forsaw your evil
> plot and secretly taught me the arcane art of bobbin
> lace.  I have created bobbin lace, and can do it
> again!  Hah!]]
>
> >I see nothing wrong in honoring the "little people"
> the ones who will never be >King.........
> [[Neither does the Crown, Chivalry, Heavy fighters or
> myself.  In fact, Kings give awards to these folks
> that you describe as the "little people".  Your
> point?]]
>
> > without their support and talents would there be any
> > point to being the King?
> [[These "little people" (again, your words, not mine!)
> Enrich the realm.  Should your rebellion against the
> Crown and Chivalry come to pass....]]
>
> [[Yes, actually, there would be a point.  The King
> would still sit on his throne, in gleaming armor,
> lording it over the Chivalry, who in turn would lord
> it over the rest of the fighters.  Feasts would
> closely resemble tailgate parties, booze would be
> purchased rather than brewed.  Music would be provided
> by whomever brought the boom box.]]
>
> [[There would be women at these events, because there
> will always be ladies who like hanging out with men
> full of testosterone.  But nobody will dare call these
> ladies "little people".  There would be more fighting
> at these events, and courts would be much shorter.]]
>
> >I do not see anything
> > shameful about the name.  If you do, please meet me
> > at
> > fighter practice on Wed and explain to me why.
> > Ash
> [[I never said "shameful".  Who said "Shameful"?  Why
> do you associate "Shameful" with "Arrows Flight"?  Why
> would you think that I know something "shameful" about
> the area that I could only discuss it in private at
> fighter practice?]]
>
> hanzie.
>
> >
> > 
> > --- hanzie <lordhanzie at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Do we really want to chain our image to archery?
> > >
> > > Regardless of anyone's opinion on the opinions of
> > > the
> > > heavys, they're the Kings and Knights of the
> > realm.
> > > By intentionally saying we are first and foremost
> > > Archers, we say we don't care as much about the
> > core
> > > of the SCA, heavy fighters.
> > >
> > > I agree that we've worked hard at solving our
> > > problems. 
> > >
> > > I agree with Matthew Morgon, We Need To Move On.
> > >
> > > Moving on is when you leave the bad stuff behind,
> > > like
> > > the name "Arrow's Flight" and all it's associated
> > > problems.  Arrow's flight is synonymous in
> > Artemesia
> > > with "problem child".  Ditching the name will only
> > > help us.
> > >
> > > If "this name has exceed where all other has
> > failed"
> > > [sic] then why does "Arrow's Flight" have such a
> > bad
> > > name? 
> > >
> > > The name has actually failed, and has helped cause
> > > the
> > > present problems.  Clinging to it will only hold
> > us
> > > back.
> > >
> > > > --- Matthew Morgon arrows flight sheriff
> > > > <skytech at FantasticDeals.com> wrote:
> > > > > no, I think that chaining the name would not
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > good idea, because
> > > > > we have work so hard to solving or problems.
> > and
> > > > > that this area has
> > > > > chaining the name more then once with the same
> > > out
> > > > > come this name has
> > > > > exceed were all other has failed and that we
> > > need
> > > > to
> > > > > move on and just
> > > > > keep the name
> > > > >  
>
>
> =====
> ... and God said, "Let there be a Satan, so people won't blame 
> everything on me." -- George Burns
>
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