[Artemisia] Re: thought for discussion-

[Morgan Wolf]

I would, respectfully and politely, of course, disagree with Therasia and
Constance on a couple of points-

Therasia, an individual's opinion of themself is not a defining quality for
Peerage.  No matter how good Bubba thinks he is as a fighter, unless the
Chivalry agree, he won't ever be a Knight.  Many of us know a certain
artisan who thinks he/she has mastered his/her art and should be a Laurel,
but who in fact produces items that are mediocre at best, and not
Laurel-worthy.

Constance, while I agree that those who put forth more effort and struggle
to improve themselves DO deserve recognition, I believe that *when
discussing Peerages*, the bar must be set at the "top 10%" level.  Hasn't
the person who went to school to get a degree and the training in cooking or
historical research ALSO made the effort to improve themself?  Regardless of
how much effort "Phred" puts into his work, is it on par with the work of
other Laurels?

Lastly [this post anyway], I would ask everyone to remember that, while all
parts MUST be considered together, the idea of the discussion is to focus on
each individually, then discuss the whole afterwards.

Morgan Blaidd Du
Protege and Ghillie to
Baron James Ulrich MacKellar and
Baroness Rachel Ashton

Fei g'wneir
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Helm-Clark" <no1home at onewest.net>
To: <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:28 AM
Subject: [Artemisia] Re: thought for discussion-


> Godwin, friend, I find I can't agree with that. A person with
self-honesty,
> integrity, intelligence and introspection can judge for themselves where
> their level of skill stands with respect to the efforts of others. That
> judgement and the statement thereof can be as prideful or as
> humble or as
> honest as the character of the person making the statement and the
> intent
> behind the statement.
>
> If you're good at something, perhaps even the best at something,
> what is
> worse? An honest statement of pride in one's own achievement or
> the sham
> humility a person may wear as a public face over their
> achievement? Was
> the statement of one's own abilities made to inform? to lament the lack
> of others with sufficient talent and interest to share those
> abilities
> with? to put someone else down?
>

LE SNIP!

> just some random thoughts
> ttfn
> Therasia
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