[Artemisia] crosses in heraldry and as site tokens

[Todd Rich]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Jeff Webster wrote:

> In keeping with the whole "reenactment theme" of the SCA. I think we (whomever we is) should allow crosses as site tokens. If someone objects we should brand them a heretic and burn them.  How 'bout them apples!
>
>  OK OK just kidding. Lighten up.  Please don't come at me with fangs
>  bared or other implements of destruction gleaming at me. It was a quick
>  transgression to allow everyone time to chuckle and have a good time
>  for once.
>  I am not sure what the big deal is. I have personal opinions about the
>  "political correctness" of crosses as site tokens. Whether it is
>  expressly forbidden by corpora or not, if it offends even one person,
>  then it should not be done. There are other really cool things to have
>  as "danglies"
>  That being said, I cannot for the life of me see what a simple cross
>  on a silly pewter token has to say about anyone's personal beliefs or
>  religious persuasions. If someone gave me a Star of David, or some type
>  of pentagram or something like that to wear for a silly site token, I
>  would do it.....knowing full well that it in no way changed my beliefs,
>  rights or sanity.

But the problem here is the same one that several Jewish friends of mine
had at the Pennsic with the 'quartered circle' site token.  They felt
forced to deface them before they could carry them.  It doesn't matter how
you feel about it or your beliefs, it matters what their religion requires
of them.

>  For the love of .............well better not use that saying, as it
>  may offend.
>  I think this all started over a cheap way to have site tokens, cool
>  looking site tokens.  How about someone letting the initial writer of
>  the
>  post know about other tokens that are less costly as well. Maybe
>  something you or an acquaintance has come up with. That would probably
>  be a productive way to end this whole thread.
>
> Lets talk about other cool stuff to argue about,  Lets
> see......hmmmm........circlets.  No?
>
> Ulric (the bad Ulric, not the good one)
>
> "Deo et Regi Fidelis"
>
> that's my motto and I'm stickin' to it
>
> Proud squire to Sir Decker Hawkeswood
> (yes that bad Ulric)

			Torin