[Artemisia] Re: A Bit of a Rant.

[Sondra Gibson]

Greetings - 

I respectfully question Mst. Shauna's listing, and here is the reason:
Numbers 1 thru 3, and 6 carry a paton of arms.  Numbers 4, 5 and 6 don't
even carry a grant of arms as far as I know.  So this listing puts things
*way* out of order.  

Gefjon

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> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:50 PM
> To: julia.jackman-brink at umontana.edu; Kingdom of Artemisia 
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> Subject: RE: [Artemisia] Re: A Bit of a Rant.
> 
> 
> :-not be aware, is there is a difference between DWS and 
> Peerage. Someday
> Well then I misunderstood your meaning, and am sorry.
> 
> :-And for the record, only SITTING Landed Baronages are above 
> the Peers in
> :-the Order of Precedence. They are often included when the 
> Crown wants
> :-input into the conversations at hand. When that happens is it
> :-specifically noted. The Former Landed and Court Baronages are
> :-technically placed below the Peerage and are rarely 
> included. Most of
> :-those tend to be doubled into the Peerage anyway.
> 
> On this I disagree and here is why.  Assuming the Herald's Handbook is
> correct  Chapter 16 States:
> 
> "THE ORDER OF PRECEDENCE
> By Mistress Shauna of Carrick Point
> .......here is the official Order of Precedence listing as used in the
> kingdom of Artemisia........
> 1. Duke/Duchess
> 2. Count/Countess
> 2.1. Lady of the Rose
> 3. Viscount/Viscountess
> 3.1. Lady of the Papillion, Dove, etc.
> 4. Territorial Baron/Baroness
> 5. Founding Baron/Baroness
> 5.1. Court Baron/Baroness *
> 6. Peers of the Realm - Knights/Laurels/Pelicans
> 7. Grant of Arms bearing awards
> 8. Grant of Arms
> 9. Award of Arms bearing Kingdom awards
> 10. Award of Arms bearing Principality awards
> 11. Award of Arms bearing Baronial awards
> 12. Augmentation of Arms
> 13. Award of Arms
> 14. Non-precedential Kingdom awards
> 15. Non-precedential Principality awards
> 16. Non-precedential Baronial award
> 
> ....There is one area of controversy, and I have marked it with an
> asterisk - the Court Barony. Many people
> feel that it should be treated with high honors, but other 
> Kingdoms may put
> it much lower. It carries an
> Award of Arms, if the recipient doesn't already have one, by 
> Corpora, but
> that is the only stipulation."
> 
> Please don't tell me that is wrong, I'm having enough trouble 
> learning to be
> a closet herald as it is ;-)
> 
> Lord John Gilson, HUH?
> Locksmith, Baroness's Musketeer,
> Provost & GU Black Wing Company,
> Rapier Marshal, Barony of One Thousand Eyes, Artemisia
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