[Artemisia] Re: A Bit of a Rant.

[Sondra Gibson]

You are correct.  To expand on what you said (I just checked - got me
curious)  the on-line Kingdom OP places Territorial Baron/esses *after* the
Peerages, and places Court Baron/esses *after* Grant of Arms.  The only
Baronages who come *before* the Peers are current Landed Baron/esses.  

Gefjon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: artemisia-bounces+sgibson=edulog.com at lists.gallowglass.org
> [mailto:artemisia-bounces+sgibson=edulog.com at lists.gallowglass.org]On
> Behalf Of Sue Clemenger
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:54 PM
> To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Re: A Bit of a Rant.
> 
> 
> Not only that, but that's *not* where the former landed or court 
> baronage falls on the OP link from the kingdom website....
> --maire
> 
> Sondra Gibson wrote:
> 
> > Greetings - 
> > 
> > I respectfully question Mst. Shauna's listing, and here is 
> the reason:
> > Numbers 1 thru 3, and 6 carry a paton of arms.  Numbers 4, 
> 5 and 6 don't
> > even carry a grant of arms as far as I know.  So this 
> listing puts things
> > *way* out of order.  
> > 
> > Gefjon
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: artemisia-bounces+sgibson=edulog.com at lists.gallowglass.org
> >>[mailto:artemisia-bounces+sgibson=edulog.com at lists.gallowgla
ss.org]On
>>Behalf Of John Gibson
>>Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:50 PM
>>To: julia.jackman-brink at umontana.edu; Kingdom of Artemisia 
>>mailing list
>>Subject: RE: [Artemisia] Re: A Bit of a Rant.
>>
>>
>>:-not be aware, is there is a difference between DWS and 
>>Peerage. Someday
>>Well then I misunderstood your meaning, and am sorry.
>>
>>:-And for the record, only SITTING Landed Baronages are above 
>>the Peers in
>>:-the Order of Precedence. They are often included when the 
>>Crown wants
>>:-input into the conversations at hand. When that happens is it
>>:-specifically noted. The Former Landed and Court Baronages are
>>:-technically placed below the Peerage and are rarely 
>>included. Most of
>>:-those tend to be doubled into the Peerage anyway.
>>
>>On this I disagree and here is why.  Assuming the Herald's Handbook is
>>correct  Chapter 16 States:
>>
>>"THE ORDER OF PRECEDENCE
>>By Mistress Shauna of Carrick Point
>>.......here is the official Order of Precedence listing as used in the
>>kingdom of Artemisia........
>>1. Duke/Duchess
>>2. Count/Countess
>>2.1. Lady of the Rose
>>3. Viscount/Viscountess
>>3.1. Lady of the Papillion, Dove, etc.
>>4. Territorial Baron/Baroness
>>5. Founding Baron/Baroness
>>5.1. Court Baron/Baroness *
>>6. Peers of the Realm - Knights/Laurels/Pelicans
>>7. Grant of Arms bearing awards
>>8. Grant of Arms
>>9. Award of Arms bearing Kingdom awards
>>10. Award of Arms bearing Principality awards
>>11. Award of Arms bearing Baronial awards
>>12. Augmentation of Arms
>>13. Award of Arms
>>14. Non-precedential Kingdom awards
>>15. Non-precedential Principality awards
>>16. Non-precedential Baronial award


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