[Artemisia] Sage cover art

Wed Nov 9 15:32:30 CST 2005

Lady Auraelia,
A couple of comments:  

First, I don't think you are correct about photos.  As I understand it, a
photograph is the property of the person who *takes* it.   Think about the
photographers who hound celebrities, sneek through bushes and climb trees to
get photos of people who do *not* want to be photographed.  Then they sell
those photos to magazines and newspapers, who publish them.  I know there
have been numerous times I've found myself in a newspaper or on TV, while
doing some kind of demo or even something at the local fair, and have never
signed a release.  

And second, you wrote: 
> "Think about this for a minute.  Our Kingdom newletter.
>  This is how we are represented to all active members;
> a copy of this is sent to the SCA archivist to save
> for future generations; this is how we as a kingdom
> represent ourselves.   When we use free clip art or
> just scan in a pretty picture from a book as a cover,
> what does that say about as a kingdom?"

I know this is going to get me in trouble, but oh well, what's new.  I would
much rather have our Kingdom represented by a newsletter cover that pictured
something medieval, or a photo relating to a past or upcoming event, than by
a comic book/fantasy picture that includes scantily clad, unrealisticly
proportioned, overly large breasted women, and men that look like gorrilas,
that have nothing remotely to do with medieval art or the SCA orginization I
joined.  

Gefjon
(current publisher of the Beul nam Beannean)   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: artemisia-bounces+sgibson=edulog.com at lists.gallowglass.org
> [mailto:artemisia-bounces+sgibson=edulog.com at lists.gallowglass.org]On
> Behalf Of Auraelia de Medici
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:32 PM
> To: julia.jackman-brink at umontana.edu; Kingdom of Artemisia 
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Sage cover art
> 
> 
> As a past Chronicler for a baronial newsletter, I find
> this entire conversation evolving into something
> rather insulting.This began innocently enough. A
> challenge was issued to find artists to provide cover
> artwork for Sage Advice, our kingdom newsletter. 
> 
> We should be grateful to Lady Freydis and her talented
> husband for the work they have put into this newletter
> and to him for filling a gap that very few others in
> this entire kingdom failed to fill.
> 
> I have seen her pleas for original artwork.  It is not
> like they have not tried to find other possibilities. 
>  If you search through back issues of the Sage or even
> back posts to this board, you will also find these
> pleas.  
> 
> Think about this for a minute.  Our Kingdom newletter.
>  This is how we are represented to all active members;
> a copy of this is sent to the SCA archivist to save
> for future generations; this is how we as a kingdom
> represent ourselves.   When we use free clip art or
> just scan in a pretty picture from a book as a cover,
> what does that say about as a kingdom?  We don't have
> artists either willing or able to provide OUR
> newsletter with 12 drawings for covers?
> 
> Since I don't know the people who say they had
> submitted something and it was rejected, I cannot say
> on what grounds it was returned.  I do know from my
> own experience that there were some things I was not
> able to publish.  It was either given to me in a form
> I was not able to use, it was to light to scan, or it
> was a photograph with individuals who refused to have
> it published.
> 
> Photographs are a slipperly slope.  You MUST have ALL
> the individuals in the photograph sign a waiver before
> you publish it.  If they decide they didn't want to
> have their picture published and wanted to push their
> case, it could mean a world of headaches.
> 
> To second guess and add your 0.02 cents now is very
> callous to the current Chronicler.  As the old saying
> goes, if you think you can do a better job, then
> please step up the plate and show us.  Please provide
> your artwork and submissions to either the Sage
> Chronicler or your local chronicler.  I can tell you
> that they are always looking for articles, artwork,
> and information.
> 
> Lady Auraelia de Medici
> Former Chronicler for the Moose Call
> 
> --- Julia Jackman-Brink
> <julia.jackman-brink at umontana.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Theodora (AKA Rachael) wrote:
> > 
> > > I would like to issue a challenge to all artists 
> > > of this fine Kingdom.  Lord Aaron has been
> > providing 
> > > this service to the Kingdom for many months. 
> > While 
> > > his style is not mine, I really feel that I need
> > to 
> > > "put up or shut up", and challenge all other
> > artists to do the same.  
> > 
> > I agree with the concept. The office is functioning
> > well, but I think 
> > there needs to be more communication and openness
> > with the Office of 
> > Chronicler too. Just because one has the handiness
> > of having a an artist 
> > on hand, doesn't mean that one can't use other art
> > to break it up. 
> > Variety is not a bad thing.
> > 
> > There are wonderful MEDIEVAL art sites online, that
> > are free. Some are 
> > museum sites. It's not a crime or cheesy to use
> > them. Other Kingdoms do 
> > and no one looks askance at their newsletter. How
> > about general photos 
> > from events? Getting releases are not that hard if
> > it happens to have a 
> > identifiable person in it. Something to think on.
> > 
> > I'd like to close in that there has been art and
> > ideas (group sponsored 
> > covers anyone?) submitted in recent years, that were
> > not accepted for 
> > various reasons. I can direct you to those people if
> > confirmation is 
> > needed, but I think it is more important to note
> > that not everything is 
> > as it seems.
> > 
> > My 2 cents, I'm done.
> > 
> > Juliana
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Artemisia mailing list
> > Artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
> >
> http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/artemisia
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> __________________________________ 
> Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> _______________________________________________
> Artemisia mailing list
> Artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
> http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/artemisia
> 