[Artemisia] Comments regarding latest BoD announcment

Tue Mar 28 16:31:33 CST 2006

I have to agree with Sir Conrad, Sir Dan and Morgan.  If a situation arrises
where a *real* threat exists, as in the example Mst. Thea gave, my answer
would be to call the mundane authorities.  Otherwise, I see no reason to
give the BoD more powers than it already has.  I have strong reservations
about imposing sanctions on anyone *accused* but not *convicted* of a crime.
What happed to the presumption of inocent till *proven* guilty?  And IMO the
whole thing is way too vague.  I see more paranoia in feeling the need to
have something like this than in not wanting still more rules and
regulations.

Mst. Gefjon Hrafnardottir

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> [mailto:artemisia-bounces+sgibson=edulog.com at lists.gallowglass.org]On
> Behalf Of Chuck Heisler Jr.
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:15 PM
> To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list
> Subject: RE: [Artemisia] Comments regarding latest BoD announcment
> 
> 
> Greetings,
>    
>   God forbid I should agree with Sir Dan and Morgan, but . . . 
>    
>   What happens if the Society Seneschal and the Crown 
> DISAGREE on continuing sanctions?
>    
>   I didn't see anything addressing that.
>    
>   I've been on both ends of this argument, being the person 
> who needs to ask someone to leave for conduct unbecoming (or 
> an accusation thereof) and being the person accused of 
> conduct detrimental to the society (I'm not the 'Black Baron 
> of One Thousand Eyes' for nothing).  Although it was not 
> elevated to a 'paperwork' level in either case.
>    
>   I am in complete agreement with this sentiment "Don't tear 
> down th efence 
> untill you know why it was built", but in this case, I agree 
> with Morgan and Dan that the current system seems to be 
> working well for banishments and etc., so why 'improve' upon 
> it?  Why take the local juridiction out of the decision loop 
> for any reason?  I guess I just don't see any situation in 
> which the Society Seneschal would need to supercede or 'add' 
> to the decision a Crown decides on.
>    
>   Who knows more about an individual case than the people 
> closest to the issue and in authority?  In this case, the 
> Crown of that particular Kingdom.
>    
>   In any case, I believe that this is a bad idea.  I just 
> can't concieve of a situation  " . . . when Royal Sanctions 
> are inappropriate or logistically impractical, . . ." and the 
> action of the Society Seneschal is appropriate and 
> logistically practical.  Short of the Crowns being stone dead 
> and no replacements in the offing.  
>    
>   So, I don't think its paranoia to want to limit the power 
> of BOD in this respect.  I think it is the BOD's duty be at 
> the call of the Society, not the Society's duty to be at the 
> will of the BOD.
>    
>   Sincerely,
>    
>   Sir Conrad von Zuberbuhler 
> 
> Spencer Maschek <smaschek at hotmail.com> wrote:
>   With all due respect to you both, I think you are taking it waay to 
> seriously. A word of advice from a great man, Don't tear down 
> th efence 
> untill you know why it was built. Let me leave you with this thought, 
> Before cars were invented people got around "fine" and 
> wondered the same 
> thing. (If I may quote you your Lordship) >This system as it 
> is has worked 
> fine for 40 years, why fix it now?
> A lot of people wondered why we need to travel faster, by a piece of 
> machinary that could be potentially dangerous? Now look at society in 
> general, where would we be without the invention of teh 
> "automobile" that 
> people labeled as "unnecessary, if we have been traveling th 
> way we have 
> been for ""40 years why fix it now?" Just a thought. I still 
> say "don't 
> tear down the fence till you understand why it was put up." I 
> don't think 
> it would let someone as to be so petty as to label a 
> homosexual or a cranky 
> individual as a person for banishment, or to be 
> "investigated" as such. I 
> agree that you could put a few words out in my direction that 
> could make me 
> investigatable, but think about how many people in the 
> Mundane world may 
> have tried to get others in trouble for petty nonsense things 
> and gotten 
> nowhere. I think that the integrity in question is not so 
> much a question 
> of liking or not liking someone based on unmatched morals, 
> the quewstion is 
> how childish is someone going to be and if they decide to be 
> that childish 
> then let them, there is not that much time for the BOD to 
> investigate every 
> whiny persons little "oh woah is me, he hurt my feel bads, 
> and I want him 
> investigated." Or "He said, she said called me a 
> poo-poo-head, and I want 
> him/her banished"
> 
> Seriously guys, paranoia.
> 
> Vlad's Lady
> (Who wants to make clear that these are the opinions of me 
> and me alone with 
> no feed back form my Lord who has not yet read this, and may 
> comment later 
> if he sees fit)
> 
> >
> >
> >With respect to Vlad's lady, and others who may agree with 
> her, I have to
> >make a couple of points here-
> >
> >I have, at various points in my life, been one of those who 
> some people
> >considered to be a "negative depiction of the Society". In 
> some circles, I
> >still am considered such. Does this mean I should be 
> temp-banished until
> >the Society Seneschal decides I'm really not that bad of a 
> guy because
> >someone filed a complaint about me?
> >What about those who's conduct I find questionable? Those 
> who's morals
> >don't match mine? What if I was one of those poor fools who 
> think being a
> >homosexual is a "negative depiction", could I get them all 
> temp-banished?
> >
> >This system as it is has worked fine for 40 years, why fix it now?
> >
> >HL Morgan Blaidd Du
> >
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