[Artemisia] Re: Artemisia Digest, Vol 30, Issue 46

[Allen Hall]

Sir Gregory,

Very well written and I agree with your points.  I've had some amount of 
experience with this type of situation, and I've found the same results as 
you have.

>From the "mundane" (law enforcement) side, it is WAY hard to deal with these 
kind of things.  The level of proof required to convict someone is extremely 
high, and not unusually gets plead down to something entirely different. 
And the time frame?  Well on an L&L case, figure no less than 1-2 years for 
an actual conviction.

And my last point concerning BoD bashing.  The BoD is made up of your 
friends and fellow players.  They volunteer their time and energies.  You 
think a local or Kingdom office is easy, Holy Moly, think of what the BoD 
level offices are like!  And once someone gets on the BoD they do not become 
an evil person.  Please, think about it.

If you'd like a first person account of what being on the BoD is like, talk 
to Baroness Bronwyn.  She served honorably on the BoD, and a finer person 
you'll not meet.  I personally know the Corporate Director, and he is an 
ICON of Chivalry and Honor.  So please be cautious when you BoD bash, you 
likely don't have all the info.

Before someone starts commenting on me being afraid to comment negatively on 
the BoD, remember the Estrella Accords in 1993?  I was the Aten King at that 
point in time, and not the least bit shy to stand up to what was going on 
then.

Alan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gregero" <gregero at gmail.com>
To: <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: [Artemisia] Re: Artemisia Digest, Vol 30, Issue 46


In theory the SCA is divided into two parts... The corporation and the
game.  The BOD and corporate officers (why they are given SCA titles is
somewhat beyond me) are supposed to perform duties that serve and protect
the game... (accounting, risk management, communications, etc.).
The "game" is essentially local officers, royalty and populace who also
serve, but are mainly playing a game of historical research, dress-up,
hitting people with various blunted objects and social interaction.

And we have two corresponding types of removal...banishments (game) and
membership suspension/removal (corporate).

Currently banishments are about the only way stop a person from
participating (which by the way are not easy and the people in charge of the
paperwork risk sanctions themselves if they aren't doing due diligence).
R&D's (revocation and denial of membership) typically only happen after a
banishment happens.

As I read it, this new procedure is meant for situations which would
primarily involve corporate functions and/or need immediate attention.

Back to the molester case (this person has since plead guilty but insane -
Benjamin Schragger), the media was jumping all over the BOD and local
officers, LONG before any banishment procedures could have even been put
into effect. This was no a game issue, it was corporate, furthermore it
effected the corporate functions (PR, and financial liability mainly due to
the bad press and possibility of families suing the SCA). What would your
answer be to a lawyer be if they asked you in a court room "Why didn't you
remove or suspend this member" immediately. Beyond that in the real world,
suspensions is severe cases are far from rare.

One last note directly about Dan saying no  R&D's until mundane
convictions.  I have run the paperwork end of these (on the banishment
sides). In the one where the mundane authorities were involved, they flat
out said it wasn't worth their effort to continue with a criminal
investigation eventhough the proof was very solid. So obviously your
solution doesn't take everything into account. Not everything is black and
white.

Gregory
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