[Artemisia] NMS and Site Fees

[Sandra Holladay]

Greetings Lady Syeira of Schattentor,

This is an issue that has had a great deal of confusion from the very
beginning.  To assist in clarification, the Kingdom Website added a link
some time ago to the BOD ruling as listed at
http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/nms.html.  In the ruling are the
following statements: "How the NMS applies: (3) The NMS will not be
collected for minors for whom there is a discounted event fee." and "At the
SCA Board of Directors' meeting that was held in October 2002, the
non-member surcharge was further defined to include fee structures: For the
Kingdoms that reside in the United States, the NMS fee is $3 USD."

The BOD Meeting for the date the NMS went into effect is not on
http://www.sca.org/BOD/minutes/ which is the listing of BOD Minutes (there
is a lapse after October 1986 to October 2002); however, I did a quick
review of all documents in that page from October 2002 to the present.  I
found some variances for certain Kingdoms (and for Pennsic), although they
did not state what those variances were.

As Lord John Gilson states below, Uprising is charging a NMS of $5 and
Estrella $10 (Pennsic $25 per week, War of the Lilies in Calontir $5 for a
nine day event, Glory War doesn't have their site information up yet).  It
appears that when an event goes over the standard number of weekend days,
the NMS goes up, and I find that understandable, although, if legitimately
allowed, it should be written into the BOD ruling stating so.

I do not find anything in writing to support John's statement of "It should
be stated that a group however MAY charge more, or even add their own
additional NMS fees to minors if they choose to."  When the BOD's written
statement says "The NMS will not be collected for minors for whom there is a
discounted event fee." To me, that means it will not be done.  If exceptions
are to be allowed, then the BOD ruling should state so.  If there is such a
statement from the BOD, and I missed it in skimming the minutes, I would
appreciate knowing so.

I agree with an earlier posting, if a NMS is being charged for minors for
whom there is a discounted event fee, discuss with them the ruling and why
they are charging the fee.

It seems that confusion is a continuing problem and the only way I can see
for this to be alleviated is for the BOD to clarify, in writing, what is and
is not allowed for the NMS.  Or we go with what the BOD has already written,
which is no NMS for discounted event fees (minors mostly) and the NMS is
$3.00 in the USA.

The above are my findings, observations, and opinions.  I hope it has been
of some help.

YIS
THL Marisa nic Griogar


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From: artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org
[mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org]On Behalf Of JD Gibson
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:15 PM
To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
Subject: [Artemisia] FW: NMS and Site Fees

>I went through this when the NMS came out a few years ago, even going into
detail with the Society President and Exchecker.  It SHOULD only be charged
on the standard 'Adult' rate (like  both the Pre-Reg and At-Gate fee for
Adults (14+) at Uprising.  On a Daypass fee for Adults at a larger event, it
is optional, and for other fee items (minors etc) there should be NO charge.
>The NMS is $3 which goes directly to Corporate for society expenses.  It
should be stated that a group however MAY charge more, or even add their own
additional NMS fees to minors if they choose to temp increased membership.
(Example, the NMS for Uprising is $5 and Estrella is $10, I forget what
Pensic is.) <snip>
>Lord John Gilson, HUH?
>autocrat uprising XX
>
>:-I have 2 questions on non-member fees. I am a member but my children are
not being only 6 and 11.  <snip> 1. On the society FAQ page
(http://www.sca.org/docs/scafaq.pdf) under membership and questions about
NMS it states that a non-member fee is not charged on a discounted minor fee
for an event but at every event I have been to I am being charged this for
my 6 yr old. Is it due to a lack of acurate information given to people at
Troll or a misunderstanding of the policy?   Why is the non-member fee
listed as $5.00 for Uprising when the society page says $3 is the fee?
  Curious and budgeting for events
  YIS,
  Lady Syeira of Schattentor
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