[Artemisia] Re: Artemisia Digest, Vol 38, Issue 19

Sat Nov 11 12:44:20 CST 2006

Unto Morgan Blaidd Duand to the others on the list, Greetings,

While I may agree it is perhaps an overreaction, I must point out a 
couple of things that were my reason for doing so.

1)"Paige" did not approach the SCA cleanly. If she had posted "I'm a 
producer involved in Wife Swap and we'd be interested in..."

2) Her comments of "Respect" for us obviously weren't true.

3) I do not agree that the fact that an organization is "Weird" gives 
anyone the right to try to use it to their profit and it's detriment.

While I respect most sincerely your position, I must point out that 
people do complain about people doing their jobs, the server in the 
restaurant that can't get the order right, the mechanic that won't fix 
the problem, the teacher who doesn't listen. There are millions of 
people doing their jobs out there that get complained about, right or 
wrong, and having spent far too long in the complaints department, I've 
heard most of them.

My problem was two fold, the misrepresentation of what Paige claimed to 
be doing, requiring the calls that Seneschals made to clarify what she 
was asking about, and the fact that her production company thought we 
were a group that they could take 'advantage' of. Having survived a 
couple of similar incidents that cost Corporate a great deal of money, 
it would be chivalrous in my mind to put a stop to it before it becomes 
'Jenny Jones'.

That was my thought, not that we should complain that Paige was doing a 
'great' job, but that she was misrepresenting herself and that the idea 
that a group was 'different' did not mean that it should be used so. I 
would say the same for every group from the Amish to the Zenobian 
re-creators. It's not a proper way to go and can cause Corporate grief 
later.

Taking advantage of any group is anathema to me, period, I don’t care 
how ‘weird’ they are.

I appreciate your comments as you treated me with the respect due to an 
equal and despite your disagreement with my points you were respectful.

In Service with thanks,
Maeve Mac
marmaeve at aros.net

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>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:14:42 -0700
>From: "BECKY LEISHMAN" <leishman10 at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Re: Artemisia Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17
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>Well said
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>  From: morgan wolf<mailto:morganblaidddu at yahoo.com> 
>  To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list<mailto:artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org> 
>  Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:28 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Re: Artemisia Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17
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>  I can state with certainty that it is legitimate, I checked the ABC website and got the same contact information, and got ABC when I called her number.  I'm not sure which "basic words" she misspelled, nothing lept off the page at me when I read it, but even the smartest and most honest people make minor spelling mistakes now and then.
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>  In short, I do believe your proposed response would be an overreaction, sorry.  This is a person trying to do her job, and she may sincerely believe that her show is as good an opportunity as she stated.  I disagree with her, and have no intention of taking part, but that doesn't mean I should complain to her boss about her.  Really, what would our complaint be?  "Dear ABC, that casting producer Paige for the show Wife Swap is being way too diligent in her job, using all of her resources to find strange people to have on the show!"
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>  Whether we like to admit it or not folks, this is a strange hobby, and we are a bunch of wierdos compared to the "societal norm".  I personally embrace my wierdo-ness, and my wierdo friends, but I can't see getting mad at someone doing their job and asking me to be wierd for their benefit.
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>  My Honor demands that I not do this, as it could make Artemisia and the SCA look bad.  My Chivalry demands that I respect her point of view, and let this topic die, having made my refusal.  
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>  Just my opinon. 
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>   Morgan Blaidd Du
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>  ----- Original Message ----
>  From: marmaeve <marmaeve at aros.net<mailto:marmaeve at aros.net>>
>  To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org<mailto:artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
>  Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:56:35 PM
>  Subject: [Artemisia] Re: Artemisia Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17
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>  Re: The SCA as performing monkeys
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>  Greetings Gentles all,
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>  I'm not sure that it's a legitimate anything. If  m'lady (Term used for 
>  manners sake only) Paige can't spell basic words, how could any one 
>  trust her to do right by the SCA? Even if it is really ABC, I'd be 
>  cautious about it.
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>  I believe that it would be appropriate to register our complaints about 
>  this behavior. Just because individuals belong to historical 
>  re-enactment of any form does not mean that we should be disrespected in 
>  this manner. It is not only dishonorable, it is prejudice, and could be 
>  considered an abuse of trust.
>
>  Please advise if this is an appropriate response. I do not think that 
>  this incident should be ignored. Other groups have faced similar 
>  discrimination and it has caused problems. Undoubtedly there will be 
>  some gentle out there who is foolhardy enough to participate. It will 
>  reflect badly on us all and may impact our abilities to rent sites, 
>  recruit new members, and to perform demos and lectures to advance 
>  Medieval and Renaissance studies.
>
>  If they are truly seeking families to participate in that awful show, 
>  they should be open and not try to couch their activities behind a 
>  'positive' smokescreen.
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>  I think that we should let our collective voice be heard and tell ABC 
>  that this is not appropriate behavior.
>
>  What say you?
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>  I think a response should be generated and all other Re-enactment groups 
>  should be advised of this stiuation, Civil War, Sealed Knot, Roman, 
>  Mountain Man, etc.
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>
>  This is my thought. I would like to hear from others on the subject.
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>  In service,
>  Maeve Mac
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