[Artemisia] A New Debate - Pay to Play

Tue Oct 31 12:57:56 CST 2006

Hi Kormac, 

My opinion as far as non-members attending events or fighting at practices
is, it can be forever, if that is what they want...  There may be some folks
who attend an event or two a year, just for the enjoyment of the day and
have no interest in playing on a more involved level.  If so, they can pay
the non-member fees, come and have fun.  However, in my experience fighters
of any 'flavor' tend to *want* to fight at events, so they will pay their
membership fees.  I can't remember running across any fighter who went to
the effort and expense of obtaining armor and learning to fight who hasn't
wanted to become an authorized fighter and fight at events.  And then there
is always the case of a fighter who may have a lapsed membership who can
still enjoy fighting at practices until he/she is able to renew their
membership.  I have no problem with that concept.

On the other hand, after a while if people make no effort to get thier own
clothing and or armor, sooner or later long time members mayl get tired of
outfitting them, and they may find themselves in a position of having to get
their own things or not play... 

Gefjon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org
> [mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org]On Behalf Of Charles
> Demery
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:46 PM
> To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
> Subject: RE: [Artemisia] A New Debate - Pay to Play
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
>    Gefjon Wrote "This is necessary in order to encourage new 
> members, and 
> allow them the chance to experience the SCA."
> 
>     Many people have already stated their opinions and many 
> have come close 
> to my own so i will leave that be. However I did want to 
> touch on what 
> Mistress gefjon said above.
>     When does one go from being "new" to "not new"? I think 
> it is a good 
> idea to allow people to come play with us for a period of 
> time and to see if 
> it is indeed their "cup of tea". However in regards to a pay to play 
> scenario, what is a period of time? How many practices, how 
> many events?
>       Do not get me wrong I am not saying we should enforce a 
> "trial period" 
> but I have heard people say " We should allow them a chance 
> to experience 
> things to encourage new members" many times and was just curious...
> 
> In Service,
> Lord Kormac mac Ruadri'
> Humble Squire
> 
> >From: Sondra Gibson <sgibson at edulog.com>
> >Reply-To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list 
> ><artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
> >To: 'Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list' 
> <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Artemisia] A New Debate - Pay to Play
> >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:40:17 -0700
> >
> >Hi Conrad,
> >
> >I guess I'm in the middle.  I think one should have to be a 
> paid member to
> >hold any office, fight at any event, compete, vote, and 
> receive awards.
> >However I think non-members should be able to attend and 
> play up to that
> >point.  I think fighters should be able to fight at 
> *practices* without
> >being a member, by signing a waiver.  This is necessary in order to
> >encourage new members, and allow them the chance to 
> experience the SCA.
> >It's also necessary for those times when a member may not be 
> in a position
> >to renew his/her membership for a period of time.
> >
> >Any organization has expenses.  I think it is only fair to 
> expect anyone 
> >who
> >plays more than superficially to share in paying for the 
> organization.  
> >They
> >get the enjoyment - they share the cost.  For those who say 
> they don't 
> >agree
> >with certain policies of the organization, then get involved 
> and work to
> >change what you don't like.  I doubt there are many who agree with
> >*everything* in the SCA, but we compromise for the good of the whole.
> >
> >Just my 25c...
> >Gefjon
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org
> > > [mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org]On Behalf Of Chuck
> > > Heisler Jr.
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:51 AM
> > > To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list
> > > Subject: [Artemisia] A New Debate - Pay to Play
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings Artemisia,
> > >
> > >   Here is a topic of discussion I'd like Artemisians to
> > > consider and discuss (as rationally as possible please).
> > >
> > >   The concept of "Pay-to-Play".  This means that you would
> > > have to be a member of the SCA (any style of membership
> > > allowed) before being allowed to compete, fight, be an
> > > officer, vote on any subject, etc.
> > >
> > >   How does Artemisia feel about this subject?
> > >
> > >   Thank you,
> > >   Conrad von Zuberbuhler
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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