[Artemisia] A New Debate - Pay to Play - FYI

[Jeff Webster]

Oh Jeeze,
  I just got done.....now I have to start over?

Ulric


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chuck Heisler Jr.<mailto:conradvz at yahoo.com> 
  To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list<mailto:artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Artemisia] A New Debate - Pay to Play - FYI


  Hi Thea,
     
    I can certainly see what you're saying.  I think Kingdom law is probably a little vague on the point of awards.
     
    Interesting.  
     
    Conradvz 

  Dame Theodora <damethea at inbox.com<mailto:damethea at inbox.com>> wrote:
    If you look at Corpora, it states in section I.D.2
  "Officers at all levels of the Society must be Society members as defined in the glossary, and must have immediate access to the corporate newsletter for their area received at their address"...

  It goes on to say that the same standard applies to deputies of those officers.

  The next section I.D.3
  "Each Kingdom may, if it so desires, require paid membership in the Society for any of the following: receiving a Patent of Arms; receiving a Grant of Arms; receiving an Award of Arms; admission to an armigerous order." 

  So clearly, you must be a member to be an officer or a deputy by Corpora, but the Kingdom may not require membership for most Baronial awards and a number of Kingdom awards that are non-armigerous.

  My understanding is that court "officers" are honor positions appointed by the Crown and are not subject to the same membership requirements as Great Officers and Officers of State. However, fighting champions will automatically be members as long as you have to have a paid membership to be an authorized fighter. 

  Speaking of that - I could not find anywhere in Kingdom law or Corpora anything that said a fighter had to be a paid member. I finally found it on Page 19 of the Artemisian Marshallate Handbook, which is where it talks about procedure for intial authorization. It took some doing to find it - I was looking and I missed it twice.

  I guess my point is that I had made some big assumptions based on what I thought I had read in Kingdom Law and Corpora related to these issues. I have really learned something about all of this. As things stand right now, there is nothing saying a non-member cannot receive some awards. 

  I think we need to look at the big picture and make sure everything matches up. 

  ~thea 

  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Dame Theodora of Trebizond, OP
  Barony of Loch Salann
  Kingdom of Artemisia


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: conradvz at yahoo.com<mailto:conradvz at yahoo.com>
  > Sent: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:24:43 -0800 (PST)
  > To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org<mailto:artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
  > Subject: Re: [Artemisia] A New Debate - Pay to Play - FYI
  > 
  > Artemisian Kingdom Law clearly states that:
  > 
  > "II. ROYALTY
  > A. The Crown is the office of Sovereign and Consort (King and Queen).
  > 
  > 2. Awards may only be received at official events, &
  > only by paid members of the SCA."
  > 
  > I can find no definition as to whether these are ALL awards, SCA
  > recognized awards or awards of any type.
  > 
  > Also, all officers (greater and lesser) must be members. Does this
  > include those included in the officers of the court (Champions,
  > chatelaine, secretary and such)?
  > 
  > Conrad v Z.

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