[Artemisia] judging A&S (longish)

[Redhawk]

I agree with you HL Morgan.. the written word can be misinterpreted and can come across harsh at times.  It's always good to speak to the judge.  A person can get a better understanding of what the judge was looking for or saying on that sheet of paper.  And yes, Mistress Caointiarn is a very good judge.  Especially on the documentation end of one's entry.  My documentation always stinks.  I have a bad habit of waiting until the last moment to do it.  The good Mistress noticed of course and but but but doesn't work.  Caointiarn had very good advice.  
Redhawk

morgan wolf <morganblaidddu at yahoo.com> wrote: That's a valid point, although more of a common courtesy/chivalrous behavior thing than an A&S judging thing.

People, if you don't like what the judge said, go talk to the judge.  Perhaps what you're reading is not what the judge intended to write, if you get my meaning (see, it can be difficult!).  I can honestly say that I've judged with Maistreas Caointiarn, and I've judged her entries (mmm, sipping vinegar!), and I've found her to be exactly the kind of judge I would like to have judging my entry- fair, honest, not harsh but not trying so hard to be nice that she doesn't actually get the point across.

I will have examples of what I consider good judging and poor judging for the class, from an entry that I submitted (the judges names will be blacked out, of course).
 
Morgan Blaidd Du,
mka Morgan Wolf
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----- Original Message ----
From: Caointiarn 
To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list 
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 9:02:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Artemisia] judging A&S (longish)


Morgan,
I think it's great you're teaching this class.  Wish I could be there to be 
a participant!
I have a concern, and one that I feel I was blind-sided and cannot resolve. 
I hope you can add another chapter to your class.
I was  "counseled"  by an "important someone" who was asked by another 
"important someone" to speak to me about the "harshness" of my judging, 
because whoever was judged complained to the 2nd "I S" about what I 
said/wrote.
I have NO IDEA what I said/wrote for what entry over a span of 2 different 
A&S events where I  *volunteered*  to judge.
   I want to think I was fair, and went over the "good" points of the entry, 
and suggested how to improve the "bad" points.
But I will never know because the entrant is too much a coward to speak to 
me, but brave enough to complain to another!
Thank you!
Caointiarn


>> Question- Don't you think that the judges should make an effort to be 
>> nice in their judging?
> Answer- No, I think they should be impartial, honest, polite, and judge 
> the entry solely on it's merits, not on who the artisan is and what 
> they've done in the past.  <> I don't think judges should be required to 
> be "nice", but an impartial, polite critique of the work shouldn't come up 
> with anything like "I hate this" or "you can do better".  If you are 
> judging on the merits of the work, whether or not you hate it has no 
> bearing.  Same for whether or not the entrant has done better work in the 
> past, you aren't judging their entire body of work, you're judging *this 
> piece, solely on it's merits*.

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