[Artemisia] Artemisia Digest, Vol 46, Issue 40
Aaron Leach
inkslinger at clearwire.net
Wed Jul 25 18:20:31 CDT 2007
Yes Conrad, some of us still read history. My lady got us a subscription to
a magazine published in the Netherlands called Ancient Warfare. I've been
reading some interesting things on the Roman Military, like they had Marines
not too different than our modern day Marines. They've had articles on
single combat that happened outside of the Gladiatorial Arena, and
interestining reading on how the soldier was perceived in Roman society. If
you're going to be at Baron's War, we should get together and talk about it
if you would like.
Aaron di Paladin
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> 1. Re: Harry Potter (Stephanae Baker)
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> 3. fencing jacket & heavy helm (Reuben and Arwen)
> 4. Re: Reading (B Wolf)
> 5. Re: Reading (Chuck Heisler Jr.)
> 6. Re: Reading (Stephanae Baker)
> 7. Re: Harry Potter (Andrea Waddell)
> 8. Re: Reading (Chuck Heisler Jr.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:22:39 -0600
> From: Stephanae Baker <stephanae at countryrhoades.net>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Harry Potter
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> Your sentences below only prove my point. Yes, I believe a person can
> be saved or changed (usually, I'm not so sure about the foreign
> orphans with affective disorders developed by not being loved or
> touched practically from birth). But Harry never demonstrates any of
> those behavior problems or very much of that need. And he doesn't
> truly get a lot of kind hands or guiding words. Also, "much worse
> abuse" is very subjective. Being physically abused isn't necessarily
> worse than being in an atmosphere of nearly utter disregard. I
> believe lack of caring can actually be even worse.
>
> Belladonna
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Andrea Waddell wrote:
>
>> Both failed many, many foster homes because of behavior problems.
>> They both went through much worse abuse than Harry did, but are
>> fantastic young men now. A kind hand and a guiding word can change
>> the course of a life, no matter how late it shows up.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Chuck Heisler Jr." <conradvz at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Reading
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> Does anyone in the SCA read history anymore?
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> CvZ
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Reuben and Arwen <reuben_arwen at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Artemisia] fencing jacket & heavy helm
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> I've got a white, almost new, Triplette size 38 L back zip fencing jacket
> I'm willing to part with for $25. New it was $39. I've also got a heavy
> helm for $90. Both include shipping within Artemisia. Contact me off
> list reuben_arwen at yahoo.com Esther
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> From: "B Wolf" <idahobrad at cableone.net>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Reading
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> Why yes, I'm in the middle of a very good book about the Chinese
> domination
> of the Indian Ocean during the 15th century. The size of their ships and
> their fleet is impressive in the tale.
>
> -Braden
>
> Hachmood K. Braden von Sobernheim, OL,OP,GA
> (Brad Wolf)
> Do not anger a bard, for thy name is silly, and scans to Greensleeves.
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> [mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org]On Behalf Of Chuck
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> Does anyone in the SCA read history anymore?
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> CvZ
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Chuck Heisler Jr." <conradvz at yahoo.com>
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> And what is this fabulous book called?
>
> I just finished a book on a special brigade during the U.S. civil war,
> not period but still history.
>
> CvZ
>
> B Wolf <idahobrad at cableone.net> wrote:
> Why yes, I'm in the middle of a very good book about the Chinese
> domination
> of the Indian Ocean during the 15th century. The size of their ships and
> their fleet is impressive in the tale.
>
> -Braden
>
> Hachmood K. Braden von Sobernheim, OL,OP,GA
> (Brad Wolf)
> Do not anger a bard, for thy name is silly, and scans to Greensleeves.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org]On Behalf Of Chuck
> Heisler Jr.
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> Does anyone in the SCA read history anymore?
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> CvZ
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> From: Stephanae Baker <stephanae at countryrhoades.net>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Reading
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> Oh Conrad, just because you're playing a medieval recreation game
> doesn't mean I can't play a medieval fantasy game in the same place
> at the same time. I think the SCA's founders would agree with me.
> There's room for both of us, no matter what the College of Heraldry
> says. Besides, persona development is fantasy no matter how you slice
> it.
>
> *wink*
> Belladonna
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Heisler Jr. wrote:
>
>> Does anyone in the SCA read history anymore?
>>
>> CvZ
>>
>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:45:40 -0600
> From: Andrea Waddell <aravis227 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Harry Potter
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> It was both kinds of abuse in this case. Because of the situation (long
> story) I'm not legally allowed to go into details on a public stage.
> However, both boys were emotionally and physically abused, as well as a
> fairly long-standing history of neglect and abandonment when they were
> finally put into state custody. If you want the story on a one-on-one
> basis, find me at Baron's War and I'll tell it to you.I would argue about
> Harry never demonstrating that neediness, though. I can't remember if I
> actually posted my thoughts or if I just thought them. I think that one
> of the reasons that Harry never specifically shows the same signs we would
> be used to of a child in that situation is that he is immediately thrust
> into the limelight, where almost every adult and child around him is in
> awe of him. He has an overabundance of attention, so he is allowed to
> partake of it at his whim. He feeds into it at times, then draws back
> entirely. He is sporadic and unreliable in his emotional state,
> especially once he comes to rely on other people emotionally, which is
> another sign of a child from an abusive/neglectful/abandoned past. When
> he does start to really trust his friends, he starts lashing out at them
> (book 5, I never really believed that was ALL Voldemort). He is the
> championed hero from the very beginning, and he excels at most of what he
> does. He is also trying to do better, craving that success and
> accomplishment. And, he is not raised in an environment of complete
> disregard. Only as the inferior child to a much favored child. He is
> usually fed, and can sneak food when he is hungry, he is taken on trips,
> when he doesn't go on them he spends the days with (I can't remember her
> name...the squib down the street with the cats), who is nice to him. No,
> it wasn't an ideal childhood, far from it. But, until he was discovered
> to have magic and has found his home where people care for him, he is not
> truly ignored by the Dursleys.-Maysun> From: stephanae at countryrhoades.net>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:22:39 -0600
>> To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Harry
>> Potter> > Your sentences below only prove my point. Yes, I believe a
>> person can > be saved or changed (usually, I'm not so sure about the
>> foreign > orphans with affective disorders developed by not being loved
>> or > touched practically from birth). But Harry never demonstrates any
>> of > those behavior problems or very much of that need. And he doesn't
>> > truly get a lot of kind hands or guiding words. Also, "much worse >
>> abuse" is very subjective. Being physically abused isn't necessarily >
>> worse than being in an atmosphere of nearly utter disregard. I > believe
>> lack of caring can actually be even worse.> > Belladonna> > > On Jul 25,
>> 2007, at 4:03 PM, Andrea Waddell wrote:> > > Both failed many, many
>> foster homes because of behavior problems. > > They both went through
>> much worse abuse than Harry did, but are > > fantastic young men now. A
>> kind hand and a guiding word can change > > the course of a life, no
>> matter how late it shows up.>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:49:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Chuck Heisler Jr." <conradvz at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Reading
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> Greetings,
>
> It isn't personal, I read the book on Sunday, so I'm hip with the fantasy
> genre too. But, and this makes me feel a little cranky to write, I don't
> give two figs about anyone's personal abuse stories and I personally don't
> think the Aerie is the place to discuss them.
>
> If you want to compare who was the most abused child, please take it off
> the list.
>
> As for Harry Potter discussion, if you'd all take that off list too, I'd
> surely appreciate it.
>
> Now if Harry were giving out fighting tips, it might be different, but no
> matter how much I want to curse Sir Gregory, I'm just not going to be able
> to wave my wand right to do it. He's not that kind of guy.
>
> Seriously, take this discussion off line please.
>
> CvZ
>
> Stephanae Baker <stephanae at countryrhoades.net> wrote:
> Oh Conrad, just because you're playing a medieval recreation game
> doesn't mean I can't play a medieval fantasy game in the same place
> at the same time. I think the SCA's founders would agree with me.
> There's room for both of us, no matter what the College of Heraldry
> says. Besides, persona development is fantasy no matter how you slice
> it.
>
> *wink*
> Belladonna
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Heisler Jr. wrote:
>
>> Does anyone in the SCA read history anymore?
>>
>> CvZ
>>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:59:21 -0600
> From: Andrea Waddell <aravis227 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Reading
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> I think he did give fighting tips *wink*At any rate...I'm trying to get
> through "The Crusades Through Arab Eyes"...that book simply hurts to read
> and if I try to read too much of it at a time, I end up having nightmares.
> Which means I've tried to read the book several times without
> success.-Maysun> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:49:58 -0700> From:
> conradvz at yahoo.com> To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org> Subject: Re:
> [Artemisia] Reading> > Greetings,> > It isn't personal, I read the
> book on Sunday, so I'm hip with the fantasy genre too. But, and this
> makes me feel a little cranky to write, I don't give two figs about
> anyone's personal abuse stories and I personally don't think the Aerie is
> the place to discuss them.> > If you want to compare who was the most
> abused child, please take it off the list.> > As for Harry Potter
> discussion, if you'd all take that off list too, I'd surely appreciate
> it.> > Now if Harry were giving out fighting tips, it might be
> different, but no matter how much I want to curse Sir Gregory, I'm just
> not going to be able to wave my wand right to do it. He's not that kind
> of guy.> > Seriously, take this discussion off line please.> >
> CvZ> > Stephanae Baker <stephanae at countryrhoades.net> wrote:> Oh Conrad,
> just because you're playing a medieval recreation game > doesn't mean I
> can't play a medieval fantasy game in the same place > at the same time. I
> think the SCA's founders would agree with me. > There's room for both of
> us, no matter what the College of Heraldry > says. Besides, persona
> development is fantasy no matter how you slice > it.> > *wink*>
> Belladonna> > > > On Jul 25, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Heisler Jr. wrote:> >
> > Does anyone in the SCA read history anymore?> >> > CvZ> >> >
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