[Artemisia] Richard the Lionheart

[Becki Child]

An interesting note:  Richard's mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine was the one 
that really started "courtly love/graces and supporting the finer arts.
LadyLiz


>From: "TClayton" <hereford at xmission.com>
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>Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Richard the Lionheart
>Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:51:05 -0600
>
>Also let me add, that in this period,  very deep (hetro) friendships 
>between men are very often described with the word love, and are ascribed 
>as lovers. It's in our homophobic era that we imply the "gay" aspect to it. 
>It's possible that Hovedon is simply trying to portray them as very close, 
>inseperable companions. Shakespeare is full of such comparisons ("The 
>Merchant of Venice" has many references like these) that do not mean to 
>imply homosexual acts. However, it is true that the stigma for homosexual 
>practices in the middle ages, particularly among the noblility, was far 
>less than it is today.
>Until the invention and introduction of courtly love, it was considered odd 
>or weak to refer to a relationship between a  man and a woman with the word 
>"love". That was certainly more sinful!
>    A great book on this subject is "The Royal Bastards of Medieval 
>England" by Chris Given -Wilson and Alice Curteis. It talks about these 
>very issues on this list.
>-----Ralph, Rex Artemisia
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanae Baker" 
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>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Richard the Lionheart
>
>
>>Dear Conrad:
>>
>>You seem offended by the idea that Richard's sexuality could have 
>>something to do with his place in history and certainly to think it  has 
>>no place in our discussion, so I'd like to respectfully present  some 
>>arguments to the contrary.
>>
>>Roger of Hoveden (who went on the 3rd crusade with Richard) wrote the 
>>following (translated from Latin by Boswell):
>>
>>     "Richard, [then] duke of Aquitaine, the son of the king of  England, 
>>remained with Philip, the King of France, who so honored him  for so long 
>>that they ate every day at the same table and from the  same dish, and at 
>>night their beds did not separate them. And the  king of France loved him 
>>as his own soul; and they loved each other  so much that the king of 
>>England was absolutely astonished at the  passionate love between them and 
>>marveled at it."
>
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