[Artemisia] "Six file federal complaint over sex abuse conviction" ... Against the SCA

[Stephanae Baker]

At the risk of bringing up what the SCA's level of responsibility  
should be in future towards children at events--a topic I'm really  
hoping we've put to bed, I'd just like to say that what I find sad is  
that the article even compares the SCA's level of responsibility in  
such a matter to the Boy Scouts'. The Scouts is an organization  
specifically for children. The SCA is an organization for grown-ups.  
Children are allowed in to actual events only with a guardian.  
Parental responsibility should be in play to at least some much  
greater extent than would apply to a scouting event. I think to blame  
the horrible man is just. For the parents to blame themselves is an  
unfortunate and unjustified eventuality of any betrayal of trust. For  
the parents to blame the SCA is a pitiful way to try and displace  
their own feelings of guilt in a pathetic litigious society. Had it  
been my own children, I only hope I'd have the moral rectitude to  
resist blaming an outside organization for circumstances beyond its  
control. I hope for the sake of both the SCA and our justice system  
that we win this suit.


On May 10, 2007, at 11:12 AM, John Harrison wrote:

> I believe that the post from Maitresse Tanglwyst de Holloway belongs
> on this one....maily because it is about this occurance.  As such, I
> have taken the liberty to post it here along with my feelings on this
> issue...mainly because I have to agree with it.
>
> The issues happened outside the SCA's realm of controll...it did not
> occur at an event...and it occured at a place that the children's
> parrents thought was safe.  Yes it is horrible that the man was in teh
> SCA...and it is horrible that he used that as a ruse to lure children
> into his trap...but what happened cannot be attached tot the SCA.
> That is like saying that the Boy Scouts is responsible for any crimes
> that a Boy Scout or Troop Master commits when they are not at a Boy
> Scout function.  Just because a criminal decides to affiliate
> himself/herself with a non-profit group does not make it that groups
> responsibility unless the person tells the group of his/her past
> exploits or future plans....
>
> I am not saying that it isn't horrible, because it is...I am saying
> that, unfortunately for all concerned, it was unavoidable since the
> parents of the children obviously trusted this man.
>
>
>
> Yours in Service to the Dream and in offering my condolences to the
> victims of this tragedy,
>
> -Lord Garath r' cath cara bardd
>
>
>
> Here is Maitresse Tanglwyst de Holloway's post for those that may have
> missed it:
>
>> Excuse me, but would that have even shown up on a background check?
> He was >involved in the SCA for 10 years as a youth group minister,
> but didn't get caught >during the entire time he was a predator.
> Background checks, even the extensive >kind done by the Idaho State
> Patrol, only shows up investigations. If this guy was >sucessfully
> abusing these children for a decade, no background check would >have
> shown his evil side. Was this predator actually investigated and
> cleared >several times or something? Or did this conviction happen all
> at once, with a flood >of children brave enough to step forward once
> the first one(s) did? A situation like >that wouldn't have shown up on
> a background check, even if we required them at >the First Garden
> Party. I guess I don't want the SCA held responsible because >we
> didn't utilize the mind-reading software we so obviously have been
> hiding from >the government.Maitresse Tanglwyst de HollowayBarony of
> Arn HoldKingdom of >Artemisia"
>
> On 5/10/07, morgan wolf <morganblaidddu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: yumitori <yumitori at gmail.com>
>> To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list  
>> <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 9:52:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] "Six file federal complaint over sex  
>> abuse conviction" ... Against the SCA
>>
>>
>> On 5/9/07, Raymond Garrison <alevecrys at bresnan.net> wrote:
>> > Taken from:
>> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07129/784449-85.stm
>>
>> Noted.
>>
>> Nothing more to discuss here.
>>
>> Except perhaps to say that the BoD response to this can be found  
>> at SCAtoday.net.
>>
>> Morgan
>>
>>
>>
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