[Artemisia] Coronation fire restrictions
Allen Hall
earlalan at srv.net
Wed Sep 5 23:25:11 CDT 2007
Greetings All who are concerned about cooking at Coronation,
There is a fire pit area (possibly 2) at the Sealander site. So you should
be good to go on that.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "LYNETTE STUMPP" <pandabr_28 at msn.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Coronation fire restrictions
I know there used to be some cooking areas out there. HG Alan is out of town
until tomorrow and I think he has been out there recently and would know for
sure. If the cooking areas that I remember are still there then you should
not have a problem. Hopefully HG will be able to give a firm answer when he
returns.
Baroness Antoinette
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Rule<mailto:kimrule at cableone.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Coronation fire restrictions
So, if there is a firepit, will I be able to use my dutch oven inside
that existing firepit?? The desert I planned depends on it!!
Una
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[mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org] On Behalf Of LYNETTE
STUMPP
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Coronation fire restrictions
Here is the list of frequenty asked questions and answers from the
website. If you want to go to the website for more info the address is
www.fs.fed.us/r4/caribou-targhee/eiifc/restrictions/firerestrictions.htm<http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/caribou-targhee/eiifc/restrictions/firerestrictions.htm>
I haven't read the whole section yet but I think it should answer most
or all of your questions. Hope it helps. Also, I know it will be a major
pain, but smokers please be aware of the restrictions for smoking. I
would hate to see anyone nailed with the penalties for breaking any of
the restrictions.
Baroness Antoinette
Frequently Asked Questions and Answers for Stage I Fire
Restrictions
General:
What lands are covered under the restrictions?
Lands covered under the restriction include Federal, State, Tribal and
private lands
(outside of city limits and incorporated areas), which lie within the
restriction area
boundary. (See Map)
What are the penalties or fines for violating a restriction order?
The maximum penalty for violating a fire restriction order may differ
depending on the
enforcement agency:
Forest Service: The maximum penalty for violating a restriction order is
$5,000 for
individuals and $10,000 for corporations and/or 6 months imprisonment.
The maximum
penalty would be imposed by the Federal Magistrate following a court
appearance.
If violating a fire restriction order results in a wildfire, the
violator will also be liable for
any and all suppression costs resulting from the wildfire and damage to
property and
resources. Criminal charges may also be imposed.
Are the public lands closed due to the fire restrictions?
No, your public lands remain open for use. However, in the event of a
fire, there may be
temporary road or area closures associated with the incident in order to
provide for public
and firefighter safety.
Campfires:
Under Stage 1 fire restrictions where can I have a campfire?
Campfires are allowed in developed recreation sites with owner provided
fire structures.
Owner provided fire structures relate to the owner of the land, so
personally owned
charcoal grills, fire pans, wood or charcoal fueled "sheep herder"
stoves etc. are
restricted when we are in stage 1 fire restrictions.
What is a developed recreation site?
A developed recreation site is an area that has been improved or
developed for recreation.
A developed recreation site is signed as a privately owned commercial
campground,
tribal or agency owned campground or picnic area. For specific
locations, see "Forest
Service and BLM Approved Campground" list located on the Internet at
www.idahofireinfo.blm.gov/east/<http://www.idahofireinfo.blm.gov/east/>
and click on "fire information" then
"fire restrictions".
I have a privately owned summer home on land leased to me by a federal
agency,
am I restricted from having a campfire at my summer home?
Yes, your summer home lease probably is included in the restriction
because your leased
lot is not a designated recreation area under the definition listed
above. It is not signed as
a commercial campground or picnic area and the owner of the land
(federal) in all
likelihood did not provide your fire structure.
I have a privately owned cabin on private land. Can I have a campfire on
my own
land?
If your privately owned land is outside of a city limit or incorporated
area you are
restricted from having a campfire under state statutes. These types of
lands do not meet
the definition of a developed recreation site.
I am an outfitter/guide/contractor who has a permit or contract to
conduct business
on federal, state and/or tribal lands. Am I exempt from these
restrictions?
No, your activities are restricted the same as the general public unless
you have a written
permit signed by the appropriate agency official granting a specific
exemption from the
prohibited activity.
Stove Fires:
Under Stage 1 Fire Restrictions, are stoves allowed and if so what kind?
Any stove fueled solely by liquid petroleum (i.e. gas, white gas fuel
etc.) or liquid
petroleum gas (LPG) (i.e. propane, etc.) fuel is OK under both stage 1
and stage 2.
Stoves fueled by wood that are not being used in a building or vehicle
are prohibited
under both stage 1 and stage 2.
Why can't I use my "sheepherder" stove in my wall tent, it has a spark
arrestor and
is fully enclosed?
Sheep herder stoves are prohibited in wall tents because they are not
being used in a
building or vehicle and since they burn wood or charcoal are considered
the same as a
campfire. They are also usually not used in developed recreation sites,
and even if they
are, the stoves are not considered owner provided fire structures. There
is potential for
these stoves to cause wildfires both while in use and when users discard
the ashes.
Why are portable charcoal grills restricted?
Charcoal is OK to use under Stage 1 Fire Restrictions in developed
recreation sites in
owner provided fire structures. This is because the owner provided
structure is generally
permanently mounted in a fixed position and cannot be easily tipped
over.
Charcoal grills can easily cause wildfires because they tend to hold
heat for a relatively
long period of time and users usually discard the ashes. Portable
charcoal grills can also
easily be tipped over and can produce blowing embers which can easily
ignite a wildfire
during extreme fire conditions.
Why are LPG and liquid fueled stoves OK?
Using liquid or gas fuel helps reduce the likelihood that individuals
might discard or
leave ashes or hot charcoal briquettes before they are completely
extinguished. These
types of stoves also do not produce blowing embers further reducing the
wildfire
potential.
Can I use my Dutch oven?
Dutch Ovens in and of themselves are not restricted. They can be used
anywhere at
anytime utilizing stoves fueled by liquid petroleum or liquid petroleum
gas. During
Stage 1 fire restrictions they may be used with wood or charcoal as a
heat source in
developed recreation sites in owner provided fire structures only.
Motorized vehicles:
Are there any restrictions on motorized vehicles?
Under Stage 1 fire restrictions, motorized vehicle use is not restricted
due to wildfire
issues. Visitors are reminded however to consult agency travel plan maps
because there
are identified roads and trails that are closed to motorized travel
either seasonally or year
round. Some agencies also may have restrictions which require users to
stay on
designated roads and trails year round regardless of whether there is
fire restriction in
place or not.
During the period between May 10th and October 20th regardless of
whether there is a fire
restriction in place, all internal combustion engines must be equipped
with properly
installed, maintained and effectively working spark arrestors.
Additionally, all operators
of motorcycles, trail bikes and all terrain vehicles and similar type
motorized vehicles are
required to carry one serviceable shovel and one (1 gallon minimum)
water container.
Are there any restrictions on the use of chainsaws or generators?
Under Stage 1 fire restrictions there are no restrictions on the use of
chainsaws or
generators which are related to wildfire issues. However, users are
reminded that
personal use and/or commercial use firewood gathering permits are still
required and
many federal and state land agencies have identified designated areas
where these
activities are allowed and other areas where wood gathering is
prohibited. Generators are
not restric ted.
During the period between May 10th and October 20th regardless of
whether there is a fire
restriction in place, all internal combustion engines must be equipped
with properly
installed, maintained and effectively working spark arrestors.
SMOKING:
What are the restrictions on smoking?
Under Stage 1 fire restrictions, smoking is not allowed except within an
enclosed vehicle
or building, a developed recreation site or while stopped in an area at
least 3 feet in
diameter that is barren or cleared of all flammable materials.
FIREWORKS:
Where are fireworks allowed?
Fireworks are always illegal on all federal and state lands. Even
possession of fireworks
is illegal on these lands. Prior to igniting fireworks on privately
owned lands, consult
your local fire department since this activity may be illegal under city
and/or county
ordinances.
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:37:53 -0700> From:
morganblaidddu at yahoo.com<mailto:morganblaidddu at yahoo.com>>
To:
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Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Coronation
fire restrictions> > Excellency,> > Thank you for providing this
information, unfortunately it, like so much of the modern world, doesn't
address SCA specifics, such as-> > Does the "cannot build your own fire
ring" mean no portable fire pits, since we have to assemble them, or are
they the "agency approved" designation?> > What of tiki torches, or
hurricane lamps, or table torches such as I use?> > Please know that I'm
not trying to be difficult, but if what this says is that the majority
of my lighting sources are not allowed, I need to go buy a bunch of
battery and propane lanterns apparently.> > Morgan Blaidd Du,> mka
Morgan Wolf> Damn Vicar Archery and Stuff>
www.damnvicar.com<http://www.damnvicar.com/>>
damnvicar at yahoo.com<mailto:damnvicar at yahoo.com>> > > ----- Original
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10:21:08 AM> Subject: [Artemisia] Coronation fire restrictions> > > This
is the latest update for fire restrictions for the area. We are part of
area 6. Please read carefully and help us follow the restrictions. If
you have a personal fire extinguisher, please plan on bringing it with
you. > > > > > > > Eastern Idaho> > > > > > Stage I Restrictions For
Areas 6, 7 and 8:> > > > The Fire Restriction will be in effect on
Thursday, July 19, 2007. The restrictions cover all public lands within
areas 6, 7 and 8. Other areas in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and Utah are in
fire restrictions. Please check before you go! Below are frequently
asked questions, restriction map areas, restriction order, approved
campgrounds and what the order covers. You will most likely get your
questions answered by downloading the Frequently Asked Questions. If you
have additional questions, please call one of our offices. For
information on restrictions on private lands outside of city limits call
Idaho Department of Lands at 208-525-7167.> > > > > > > > > Campfires:>
Approved developed recreation site and within an agency provided
structure/fire ring. This means you cannot build your own fire ring, you
need to use what is available at the approved recreation site.> > > >
Charcoal Grills:> Approved developed recreation site and within an
agency provided structure/grill. This means you cannot bring your own
grill you need to use what is available at the approved recreation
site.> > > > Gas Stoves:> Gas stoves or LPG stoves are approved at
undeveloped and developed recreation sites.> > > > > Cigarettes:>
Approved in developed recreation sites, in a vehicle, building, or at
least a 3-foot clearance of all flammable materials.> > > > Fireworks:>
Fireworks are ALWAYS illegal on state and federal lands.> > EXEMPTIONS:
> Pursuant to Title 36 CFR § 261.50(e), the following persons are exempt
from this Order:> > Persons with a permit specifically exempting them
from the effect of this Order. > Persons using a stove solely fueled by
LPG or other petroleum fuels. > Persons using campfires in designated
areas where the use of fire is specifically authorized by written posted
notice. > Any Federal, State, or local officer or member of an organized
rescue or firefighting force in the performance of an official duty. > >
> Additional Information:> > Fire Restriction Orders/Plan:> > > Click
here for interactive Idaho Fire Restrictions & Closures Map and specific
area restrictions and closures> Forest Service Fire Restriction Order> >
> Forest Service and BLM Approved Recreation Site List> BLM Fire
Restriction Order> > > Frequently Asked Questions> Idaho Department of
Lands Restriction Order > > Press Release - July 18, 2007> Fire
Restriction Plan for the State of Idaho> > > Other Area's in
Restrictions:> Bridger-Teton National ForestGrand Teton National
ParkYellowstone National ParkState of UtahSawtooth National ForestBoise
National ForestPayette National ForestBeaverhead Deerlodge National
ForestGallatin National Forest>
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