[Artemisia] arts and sciences (Giliana)

[Reuben and Arwen]

  Giliana, you are absolutely right.  I didn't even realize other Kingdoms did this.  What a mess that would be!  
   
  I've always wondered how much of a project would have been done by an individual.  Soap making I can see being a one person project, but what about other complex projects like garb?  I read someplace that it was common in many places in late period Europe to have several cutters, tailors and dressmakers each make a contribution in a piece of clothing.  Europeans were amazed at the quality and fit of Ottoman garments because they were made by only one person.  Esther would not have made her own clothing, she would have been given it by a patron, or male family member.  Many of the old master's paintings were also, in their way, products of a workshop.  Esther
   
  Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:45:26 -0800
From: Michele Wolf 
Subject: Re: [Artemisia] arts and sciences

I'm just glad that we aren't one of the Kingdoms that makes any sort of differentiation between the arts and the sciences (i.e. different awards, categories, etc). I've heard such distinctions as process vs. product and "If you drop it on your foot and it hurts then it's a science." but the fact is that there is no good distinction between the two and that much "science" goes into an "art" and there is "art" to many "sciences".

For instance, a scribe creating a beautiful illumination (manuscript arts - art) who wants to try mixing his/her own pigments (alchemy - science). Or a costumer creating a belt (Costuming accessories - art) who tools the leather (leatherwork - science?) and casts the buckle (metal casting - science). This gets absolutely ridiculous when a competition guidelines require X art entries and Y science entries.

I can't find the source, but someone (in this whole debate) found a medieval definition of the term "art" and it was something along the lines of An activity that can be repeated again and again to achieve the same results. To my modern mind, that is almost a word for word explanation of science (or one of its many aspects!).

I like the functional vs. beautiful debate.. But I think that, for my part, the best idea is to simply ignore the art vs. science division completely. The only time a valid argument needed the attention of art vs. science (that I've been a part of) was to make sure and appreciate the qualities of a good "sciencey" work even though it was smelly and not altogether pretty. It is important to realize that good medieval research and re-creation doesn't always lead to Elizabethan embroidered garments.. Sometimes it leads to tallow soap! ...which is pretty gross, both process and product, but still worthy of much praise.

Giliana

       
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