[Artemisia] Question for Kurtis/William (was Yay for Good TV! :D)

Wed Nov 16 14:01:22 CST 2011

Hi Kurtis/William and all,

Thanks for your response. I'm going to watch the evolution of the sport 
of jousting with great interest. I would also love it if somewhere down 
the road, the issue of training cavalry were addressed; but I'm kind of 
a geek when it  comes to that sort of thing :-)

I'll bet that several people on this list watched the early days of MMA 
and the UFC. Does anyone out there remember when you would see pairings 
like  Sumo wrestler vs. barroom brawler? Those early days had their 
charm.....but the UFC grew up. The days of portraying fighters as 
out-of-control, rabid, caged animals are over, thank god. The UFC had a 
long, hard, road convincing state legislatures that MMA fighters were 
athletes; but eventually, they prevailed. You don't have to love the 
UFC, but you do have to acknowledge that it, and MMA fighting, has evolved.

In a similar light, the way the SCA learned....pretty much 
everything.....about armored combat was to get in there and do it. I 
don't know if anyone has written a history about the development of this 
fighting form; but I think it would be an AWESOME read if they did. I 
can imagine that every step of the way, issues like switching from hard 
wood sticks to rattan, the development of helms as we use them today, 
shield construction, and dozens of other implementation details had 
their roots in the school of hard knocks. There are probably even a 
bunch of fighters here in this kingdom who were part of that evolution. 
This is our history, and I'll bet you money that there's a great story 
in there.

Anyway, best of luck to you and happy trails :-)
-tamar

On 11/16/2011 12:14 PM, Kurtis Brunson wrote:
> i think it will become a major extreme sport like nascar or motorcross racing. yes it may not be fully historucally accurate. but it has historical qualities about it. they wanted to show viewers what everyone in the episodes r going through. the jouster that was having trouble is getting to be quite the accomplished rider and jouster. and I think they love showing that evoluation of jousters so that the viewers can grow with them. I realize not everyone will like the show and thats fine. but I believe as far as main stream america. charlie is bringing a style of jousting to them that they will love.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Tamar Black Sea<tamar at coteduciel.org>  wrote:
>
> From: Tamar Black Sea<tamar at coteduciel.org>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Question for Kurtis/William (was Yay for Good TV! :D)
> To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 10:30 AM
>
> I realize that this issue has the potential to be a little testy; but
> I'd like to stay with it because it goes to the heart of what we do as a
> Society. Our roots as an organization are in the idealized form of
> medieval tournaments. The SCA has it's own way of re-creating that
> aesthetic, as do other groups out there. I'm fascinated with seeing how
> other organizations approach this issue.
>
> Having said this; I have a question for you Kurtis/William:
>
> Do you see the jousting that your group is doing as an evolving sport?
> If it is evolving, do have any ideas for what direction that evolution
> might take?
> The specific thing that I'm after with this question is the training of
> new riders. I noticed that one of the rookie jousters  was struggling
> with basic riding skills. I thought that it was a great decision on the
> part of the film makers and the Knights of Mayhem to show the learning
> process. For as long as humans have used cavalry, we've also had to
> train riders. Training riders has always been a big deal. Do you see any
> possibilty that the approach to the training of new jousters will evolve
> as time goes in this sport?
>
> Thanks,
> Tamar
>
> On 11/16/2011 9:26 AM, Kurtis Brunson wrote:
>> im not jumping down your throats but I will stand to the side either. I have to defend the knights of mayhem. its my passion brought to life of doing something worth while in my life.
>> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Jackman-Brink, Julia<Julia.Jackman-Brink at mso.umt.edu>   wrote:
>>
>> From: Jackman-Brink, Julia<Julia.Jackman-Brink at mso.umt.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Yay for Good TV! :D
>> To: "Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list"<artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 9:04 AM
>>
>> Fair enough. We all have opinions. I was very subdued in my comments, others have not been. I would say the same in your defense, you may not agree with ours so don't jump down our throats either for having one. Let's talk next time we're together. Seriously.
>>
>> Juliana
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org [mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org] On Behalf Of Kurtis Brunson
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:48 AM
>> To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Yay for Good TV! :D
>>
>> if you dont like the show then you dont have to watch it. but please dont get on here and rip it apart. I am putting everything I have into this show to make it work and I think its rather rude when people I consider my friends to get on here and bad mouth the work I do. I dont get on here saying how much I dont like your boss, or the clothes you wear to work look terrible. so why would you do the same thing to me. honestly if you dont like it then at least have the guts to say it to my face for a private conversation.
>>
>> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Jackman-Brink, Julia<Julia.Jackman-Brink at mso.umt.edu>   wrote:
>>
>> From: Jackman-Brink, Julia<Julia.Jackman-Brink at mso.umt.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Yay for Good TV! :D
>> To: "Ysabel de Lille"<ysabel_delille at yahoo.com>, "Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list"<artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 8:06 AM
>>
>> The armor was very good....too bad the rest of it was...uh. LACKING. -- Juliana
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org [mailto:artemisia-bounces at lists.gallowglass.org] On Behalf Of Ysabel de Lille
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:35 PM
>> To: The Aerie
>> Subject: [Artemisia] Yay for Good TV! :D
>>
>> Knights of Mayhem will be premiering tonight, thanks to National Geographic. It starts, I believe, at 7pm, and there is a second episode right after. For those who love and adore our dear William the Dragonhearted, he will be featured (somewhere, at some time or another) in this show, since he's one of the main blacksmiths. I'm so proud of how far he's come, how well he's done for himself, and how far his talents have been stretched from the very little he was given to start with, to being a premier armour maker for the world of jousting today. Go little bro! :D
>>
>>
>>     
>> ~*~Lady Ysabel la Serena de Lille~*~
>>
>>
>> "Let's just say I'm someone who's chosen to embrace the full spectrum of our reality." ~Dr Helen Magnus, Sanctuary
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