[Artemisia] identifying cheaters

[danoman1000 .]

I agree that the extreme public shaming that is documented, such as putting
someone in the stocks, would be very counterproductive.  But I think that
if a fighter heard an audience member yell "Take the Hit" that might
actually be helpful.  Then again I've only been in one combat tournament,
so I could easily be wrong.

Sneferu

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Cindie Green <illoraofthewestlea at hotmail.com
> wrote:

> In my opinion, the public shaming would bring us down to the same level as
> the cheater. None of us would be behaving very chivalrously. I think it is
> really up to the King and the chivalry to take it in hand. Perhaps on the
> second warning the consort could be brought into the conversation by the
> Queen and point out the stain on her honor to the cheater. Maybe he doesn't
> care. Maybe nothing will make him alter his behavior except doing what the
> chivalry and that first King I saw had to do. If we did THAT more I think
> there would less of a problem. (Kind of like public hangings 😉) We have a
> process in place to keep habitual cheaters out of the list as well. Do we
> use that? That, being the K&Q don't accept their LOI.
> Bottom line is exactly what Morgan suggested. If we say we don't allow
> cheating, then let's don't allow cheating. If fighters get disqualified and
> the tourney started all over, less people will be tempted to cheat.
>
> Again, I think most fighters are honorable and if they miss a hit once in
> awhile it is just that, they missed it, they didn't blow it off.
>
> Illora
>
> > On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Karen <caointiarn1 at bresnan.net> wrote:
> >
> > Then,   maybe we shouldn't just be "watching."     Maybe some of the
> cheers
> > need to turn to jeers, and boos and heckling the ones the crowd can see
> > deliberately "bending" the rules . . . .   Public shaming  documentation
> can
> > be found  . . . .
> > Caointiarn
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > This ought to liven things up a bit ;o)  Well done, Your Grace
> >
> > Cheaters aside (and yes, that is what they are) I'm a bit tired of those
> > running the Tournament(s) announcing at the beginning that cheating will
> not
> > be tolerated and then doing absolutely nothing about it.  Don't bluff,
> don't
> > posture - just do the job as you swore you would when you took up the
> > Crowns.
> >
> > Either way, everyone - those who are Cheating and those who are just
> > watching - knows what sort of behavior is acceptable in this Kingdom.
> >
> > Morgan
> > Arn Hold
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > I'm not clumsy.
> > It is just that the floor hates me, the tables and chairs are bullies and
> > the wall gets in the way.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Duke Alan" <dukealan at q.com>
> > To: "Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list" <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 7:06:01 AM
> > Subject: [Artemisia] Winning or Just Not Losing?
> >
> > Good Morning All,
> >
> > Seems like we need some lively discussion to wake up the Aerie.
> Excellent!
> > Here we go, and the topic is appropriate considering this weekend's
> > festivities...
> >
> > The SCA claims to be honorable, and is loath to "call shots" for others.
> > But what happens when someone refuses to "call shots" as good in a
> > tournament?  Please don't pretend this doesn't happen.  We've all seen it
> > repeatedly.
> >
> > How do we deal with the person who couldn't win, but refused to lose?  So
> > far, we've not done much.  Sometimes they get a Crown out of the deal,
> which
> > of course dishonors those who did fight fairly and played the game with
> > honor.  Those people far outweigh the Cheaters.
> >
> > Oh my, is that too harsh?  But PC aside, what do you call someone who
> > participates in a game, yet wants to win and not necessarily following
> the
> > rules to do so?
> >
> > I was extremely pleased to watch our last Crown Tourney.  It was clean,
> and
> > the final winner, in fact, was the winner.  Not the guy who refused to
> lose.
> > I would greatly hope that we would draw a line in the sand and say, that
> is
> > the standard that we wil hold to.
> >
> > So, how is that done?
> >
> > Discuss away!
> >
> > Alan
> >
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