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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>Aaahhh, but again, you
miss the point. How can you judge someone on things that you don't have
access to? F'rinstance, Konrad and Kortland can judge me by what I say to
them, and what I say that they see or hear, but they can't judge me by what they
DON'T see or hear. Regardless of what I've sent privately, I'm judged by
most people by what they see publicly, and so is everyone
else.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>So, are you giving in on
the dozen arrows??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>Morgan Blaidd
Du<BR>Protege and Ghillie to<BR>Baron James Ulrich MacKellar and<BR>Baroness
Rachel Ashton</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=michaeltheloud@yahoo.com href="mailto:michaeltheloud@yahoo.com">Wayne
Hamberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=artemisia@lists.gallowglass.org
href="mailto:artemisia@lists.gallowglass.org">Kingdom of Artemisia mailing
list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Artemisia] What you say via
electronic means</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The "Sent Items" mailbox is far more revealing, truthful and will give
you a better look into somebody's character than anything they will post on
the Aerie and it is a double standard if you place weight on public
comments and totally disregard what somebody says privately.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Michael</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B><I>Morgan Wolf <<A
href="mailto:morganwolf@sofast.net">morganwolf@sofast.net</A>></I></B>
wrote:
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>Michael, my boy, you
missed the point. Go back thru the Aerie, as far as you like, and re-read
all of the posts from Countess Caryn. I'll bet you a dozen arrows you
can't find any rude, impolite posts, no matter how far you go
back.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>I can honestly say
that I have been taken to task for "ripping" on someone that is considered
by many to be an example of what is wrong with the SCA, because such ripping
is not considered the proper way of dealing with such
people.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC"
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>What is said
privately is just that, private. What is said publically is subject to
the scrutiny and interpretation of everyone who "hears"
it.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>BUT MOST
IMPORTANTLY- why do YOU consider ripping on you to be held in a
different light than a popular peer?? Perhaps you should consider that
maybe, just maybe, the way others perceive you is not nearly as bad as you
like to think. You may not be quite the martyr you believe yourself to
be.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080>Of course, I could
be wrong.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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color=#000080></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC"
color=#000080></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Tempus Sans ITC" color=#000080><STRONG>Morgan Blaidd
Du<BR>Protege and Ghillie to<BR>Baron James Ulrich MacKellar and<BR>Baroness
Rachel Ashton</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=michaeltheloud@yahoo.com
href="mailto:michaeltheloud@yahoo.com">Wayne Hamberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=artemisia@lists.gallowglass.org
href="mailto:artemisia@lists.gallowglass.org">artemisia@lists.gallowglass.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Artemisia] What you say via
electronic means</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>> While the Crown is considering this, they have a couple of
Pelicans<BR>> say "check out what he just posted on the Aerie". They do
so, and<BR>> find that Melvin has just nailed someone hide to the door,
in a very<BR>> blunt manner.</P>
<P>1) Doing this is an exclusionary tactic and will only be used as
an<BR> excuse to not to give somebody an award. By the
vary nature of<BR> online communication it is typically blunt,
poorly written and<BR> even the most well intentioned comment
can sound negative.</P>
<P>2) This standard isn't going to be universally applied.
Somebody<BR> ripping on a popular peer might won't be held in
the same light<BR> as say somebody ripping on me. Is
there a difference? No! So<BR> why would anybody
even suggest a standard that isn't going to<BR> be fair and
honorable to all regardless of rank.</P>
<P>3) It's not what is said publically what you need to worry
about<BR> but what is said privately. Politicans will
kiss babies and tell<BR> you what they think you want to hear
while stealing your lollipop.<BR> Just because somebody is
saying something publically doesn't mean<BR> others aren't
saying far worse privately.</P>
<P>Michael</P>
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