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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">For the record, authors throughout the period the SCA covers had a wide and varied list of chivalric virtues, although almost all of them completely overlapped one way or another. Some authors that discuss the topic include Ramon Lull, Geoffrey DeChargny, Foissart, Chretien De Troyes, the list goes on. The all describe things with some differences, categorize things slightly differently, but almost always the end up covering the same ground regardless if they use different terminology. Most are worth reading if you are truly interested in get deep into the medieval philosophy of Chivalry. And like all things it morphed as it moved through history today.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">As for Morgan's list, that was close to the list that many in the Kingdom have been trumpeting as an easy shorthand list, that being:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Prowess</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Largesse</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Loyalty</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Courtesie</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Franchise (Noblesse Oblige falls in here)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Answering his question directly about Prowess however is trickier than it may seem. To define it is relatively easy…it's all the aspects that merge into a level of mastery of some skill. The problem comes in when you have 10, 20, 30, 100 different people with different opinions on what "level of Mastery" is adequate. To further muck things up, Conrad brought up the point that the other factors can be a tougher read, so the issue of divergent opinions becomes even more difficult. Frankly we're all pretty lucky anyone can ever agree enough that we have any peers at all. That's where the deciding factor comes in…The Crown. Each peer made bares some mark of the Crown that created them, because the final decision is always theirs, and thus you might be able to pick up on The Crown's personal feelings about what makes a peer.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Gregory</FONT>
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