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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This was posted today on Arrows Flights
chats. I think that you all need to see it. I am not sure who Hanzie
is, but if this is his belife of how the kingdoms should think or how the
fighters feel. Then I have joined the wrong group! Some one please
tell me this is not true!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>M'Lady Tula Zarazee</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><TT><FONT size=4>I have said "Arrow's Flight" isn't a good
name,<BR>because it is insensitive to the Crown and the<BR>Chivalry.<BR><BR>The
rebuttal consists solely of personal attacks at<BR>the Chivalry, the Crown, and
myself.<BR><BR>The rebuttal completely ignores the feelings of the<BR>Chivalry,
the Crown, which is the only assertion I<BR>have made.<BR><BR><BR>--- Ash
<</FONT><A href="mailto:ash0315@yahoo.com"><FONT
size=4>ash0315@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>> wrote:<BR>> Well Hanzie
it may spell "problem child" to you but<BR><BR>[[This area has had troubles in
the past, and they're<BR>linked to the name "Arrow's Flight". That is
an<BR>established fact, not just my opinion. Anyone<BR>disbelieving this
is invited to search the last<BR>month's kingdom newsgroup archive. Search
for the<BR>text string "troubles"]]<BR><BR>> to those of us who worked hard
to even have the area<BR>> recognized as a separate entity.............
it's<BR>> the<BR>> result of many years of hard work.<BR>I am sure
that<BR>> you<BR>> did not intend to insult those of use who have<BR>>
played<BR>> in the past and are now cautiously coming back.<BR>[[Good,
because I didn't insult anybody.]]<BR><BR>[[By the way, are you someone who has
"worked hard for<BR>many years" or are you a former player "now
cautiously<BR>coming back"?]]<BR><BR>>But<BR>> you are getting just a bit
on the arrogant side in<BR>> suggesting that the only thing the the SCA
values<BR>> are heavy fighters.<BR>[[As I never suggested that, I'm safely
away from the<BR>"arrogant side".]]<BR><BR>[[As I said before, the name
irritates those whom we<BR>most need the respect of, the King and Knights.
They<BR>make all the final decisions. How many times does<BR>Corpora say
"The decision of the Crown is final."? <BR>The only way to get to be a final
decision maker is to<BR>be a heavy combatant.]]<BR><BR>>Ask the kings &
knights how well> they<BR>> would fare without the help of the Gentles who
for<BR>one<BR>> reason or another do not go out on the field. <BR>[[It looks
like you have some real and deep seated<BR>resentment of the Crown and
knights. Why? And which<BR>Gentles who never go out on the field
are<BR>indispensable.]]<BR><BR>>Would you last long with out the volunteers
bringing<BR>the<BR>> water?<BR>[[Are you threatening the heavy fighters with
a water<BR>bearer strike? Well, since you're asking... I'd guess<BR>that,
at first, a few fighters would die of<BR>dehydration. Then somebody would
seduce a (former)<BR>water bearer, and cunningly trick her into letting
go<BR>the secret of how they are able to produce water on<BR>the battlefield,
where none was before.]]<BR><BR>[[Then, the very brightest of the heavy fighters
would<BR>get together, and try to reverse engineer the parts<BR>that the former
water bearer wouldn't tell. I'd<BR>imagine (and I'm really going out on a
limb, folks)<BR>that fighters would: Bring their own water jugs]]<BR><BR>[[I
could, of course, be wrong, but I think that<BR>radical idea might work, and
save the lives of<BR>fighters you would so callously throw away during
your<BR>Water Bearer Strike]]<BR><BR>Would you go to a Court event without
Music?<BR>[[Yes, actually. I have many times. Music
certainly<BR>makes it nicer, but it's far from necessary. So what?<BR>Are
you planning a Musician's strike too? Should I<BR>have the misfortune to
be crown when your strike hits,<BR>I shall be forced to lug my stereo to
court. I'd<BR>bring the good speakers for the dancing later
on.]]<BR><BR>[[Musicians play in court because people enjoy it, not<BR>because
life stops without a soundtrack.]]<BR><BR>[[Of course, if nobody but fighters
were left, there<BR>wouldn't BE any Court Only events. You can trust
me<BR>on this.]]<BR><BR>> Or a feast?<BR>[[I've eaten without music at many
events. It works. <BR>I'm mostly interested in conversation with
friends<BR>anyway. Does your Musician's strike hope to starve us<BR>into
submission?]]<BR><BR>[[If you're trying to somehow say that there would be<BR>no
food in a heavy-fighter only SCA, all I can say is<BR>you've never heard of
steak, bread, cheese and pizza. <BR>Some heavy fighters can even cook, and all
can<BR>barbeque.]] <BR><BR>>The people who lend their skills in
period<BR>> lace, sewing, brewing, calligraphy, do they<BR>contribute<BR>>
nothing?<BR>[[No, they contribute lace, clothing, alcoholic<BR>beverages and
scrolls. Haven't you noticed?]]<BR>[[In addition to Water Bearer's and
Musicians Strikes,<BR>are you arranging sympathy strikes? You seem to
be<BR>planning on forcing the Crown and Chivalry into<BR>thirst, silence,
nudity, sobriety and illiteracy --<BR>Worst of all, you plan to deprive heavy
fighters of<BR>BOBBIN LACE! Ye Gods, how will they survive?
<BR>Fortunately, it's too late for your last threat. <BR>M'Lady Ruth Wayne of
the Green Hills forsaw your evil<BR>plot and secretly taught me the arcane art
of bobbin<BR>lace. I have created bobbin lace, and can do
it<BR>again! Hah!]] <BR><BR>>I see nothing wrong in honoring the
"little people"<BR>the ones who will never be >King.........<BR>[[Neither
does the Crown, Chivalry, Heavy fighters or<BR>myself. In fact, Kings give
awards to these folks<BR>that you describe as the "little people".
Your<BR>point?]]<BR><BR>> without their support and talents would there be
any<BR>> point to being the King?<BR>[[These "little people" (again, your
words, not mine!)<BR>Enrich the realm. Should your rebellion against
the<BR>Crown and Chivalry come to pass....]]<BR><BR>[[Yes, actually, there would
be a point. The King<BR>would still sit on his throne, in gleaming
armor,<BR>lording it over the Chivalry, who in turn would lord<BR>it over the
rest of the fighters. Feasts would<BR>closely resemble tailgate parties,
booze would be<BR>purchased rather than brewed. Music would be
provided<BR>by whomever brought the boom box.]]<BR><BR>[[There would be women at
these events, because there<BR>will always be ladies who like hanging out with
men<BR>full of testosterone. But nobody will dare call these<BR>ladies
"little people". There would be more fighting<BR>at these events, and
courts would be much shorter.]]<BR><BR>>I do not see anything<BR>>
shameful about the name. If you do, please meet me<BR>> at<BR>>
fighter practice on Wed and explain to me why. <BR>> Ash <BR>[[I never said
"shameful". Who said "Shameful"? Why<BR>do you associate "Shameful"
with "Arrows Flight"? Why<BR>would you think that I know something
"shameful" about<BR>the area that I could only discuss it in private
at<BR>fighter practice?]]<BR><BR>hanzie.<BR><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---
hanzie <lordhanzie@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>> > Do we really want to
chain our image to archery?<BR>> > <BR>> > Regardless of anyone's
opinion on the opinions of<BR>> > the<BR>> > heavys, they're the
Kings and Knights of the<BR>> realm. <BR>> > By intentionally saying we
are first and foremost<BR>> > Archers, we say we don't care as much about
the<BR>> core<BR>> > of the SCA, heavy fighters.<BR>> > <BR>>
> I agree that we've worked hard at solving our<BR>> > problems.
<BR>> > <BR>> > I agree with Matthew Morgon, We Need To Move
On.<BR>> > <BR>> > Moving on is when you leave the bad stuff
behind,<BR>> > like<BR>> > the name "Arrow's Flight" and all it's
associated<BR>> > problems. Arrow's flight is synonymous in<BR>>
Artemesia<BR>> > with "problem child". Ditching the name will
only<BR>> > help us. <BR>> > <BR>> > If "this name has exceed
where all other has<BR>> failed"<BR>> > [sic] then why does "Arrow's
Flight" have such a<BR>> bad<BR>> > name? <BR>> > <BR>>
> The name has actually failed, and has helped cause<BR>> > the<BR>>
> present problems. Clinging to it will only hold<BR>> us<BR>>
> back.<BR>> > <BR>> > > --- Matthew Morgon arrows flight
sheriff<BR>> > > <skytech@FantasticDeals.com> wrote:<BR>> >
> > no, I think that chaining the name would not<BR>> be<BR>> >
a<BR>> > > > good idea, because <BR>> > > > we have work
so hard to solving or problems.<BR>> and<BR>> > > > that this
area has <BR>> > > > chaining the name more then once with the
same<BR>> > out<BR>> > > > come this name has <BR>> >
> > exceed were all other has failed and that we<BR>> > need<BR>>
> > to<BR>> > > > move on and just <BR>> > > >
keep the name<BR>> > > > <BR><BR><BR>=====<BR>... and
God said, "Let there be a Satan, so people won't blame everything on me." --
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