<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">That's insane. I don't doubt you, but that makes less sense than most SCA legal decisions. Manuscripts pre-1890 (call it 1850 if you want to be paranoid) is public domain pretty much every where in the world. There are two exceptions that I know of, the first being an obscure EU law stating that the first person to publish a previously unpublished manuscript can claim copyright IN SOME countries for 25 years. Australia appears to not have a public domain upper limit, and I believe no fair use, so the 10% use thing is garbage.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I'm pretty conservative on my copyright interpretation for my job, but that's just silly.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Marc/Diarmaid<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:23 AM, "Johnna Holloway" <<a href="mailto:johnnae@mac.com">johnnae@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></font></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I think what you are going to find is that there is US and international copyright law and then there is how the SCA</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">wants to enforce it. And the SCA approach can be much stricter than what is necessary under US law.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">(Right now, for instance, one cannot publish a survey article of period quotations because the rules in place count every quotation</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">as being copyrighted. One is limited to a rule of 10% of the article for the quotations, even if the quotations are original quotations and date from before 1700 or even 1600. </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">One cannot for instance do a survey of how a recipe changes over time or variants of recipes because you can no longer quote the original material. One cannot describe a historical event using quotations from pre 1600 books because you will exceed the 10% rule. We scream for authenticity but then we choke it back.)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I think you'll have to start by looking at the Chroniclers' Handbook for instructions</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">on how the SCA wants it done these days and consult your Kingdom Chronicler's Office for their ok.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">There are also people who advise the SCA on copyright and the Corporate Office should be able to put you in touch</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">with them on questions relating to how the SCA wants it done.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Johnnae</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Jun 2, 2012, at 11:45 PM, FV/Rafaella wrote:</font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></font><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; z-index: auto; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Greetings all,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I do this at work everyday but I'd like input from the SCAdian community on this issue. <br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I'm the "scribal archives" deputy for AnTir. I manage our LibraryThing account (<a href="http://www.librarything.com/home/AnTirCOS">http://www.librarything.com/home/AnTirCOS</a>) and now I'm tackling inventory/preservation/digitization of our photograph and slide collections. (my copyright credentials include training from Laura Gassaway and being a fan of Kenneth Crews and Lawrence Lessig.)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Here's the big question: If we digitize the photos/slides, can we put them up on the web (without getting anything signed? no one collected any sort of permissions in the past, either from scribes or photographers.)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">My inclination is "no" but before I tell that to my superior (and take the time to digitize) I'd like to get my justification in order. I may end up digitizing for preservation (and make sure to include "goes into public domain" notes in the metadata) but maybe it's time to start a "hunt for the scribes and get clearances" project.<br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The visual arts dillemma of photographer vs. artist-of-the-artifact is what causes me confusion in these situations.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I was speaking with my Laurel (who has her OL in C&I) and she said "but we did these for Kingdom, isn't that like work?" and I said that volunteer art wasn't Work For Hire, but it is an interesting line of thought.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">I've roamed through VRA (visual resources assoc) and ARLIS/NA (art libraries) websites, without much luck. The new ARL fair use guidelines* apply to teaching in higher ed, not so much for volunteer educational organizations. :-)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Input appreciated.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">--Rafaella</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">_______________________________________________<br>Sca-librarians mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Sca-librarians@lists.gallowglass.org">Sca-librarians@lists.gallowglass.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/sca-librarians">http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/sca-librarians</a></font></div></blockquote></blockquote></body></html>