[Artemisia] Re: thought for discussion-

[Morgan Wolf]

Re: thought for discussion-You're correct that I've heard definitions of all of the Five Pillars from several Peers, including you, at various times, and you're correct that not everyone uses those standards when considering someone for an award, AND you're correct that all of the points need to be considered together before recommending anyone for anything, BUT...

not everyone has had the opportunity to hear the definitions that I have, we've already determined that I don't remember it correctly so I need a refresher, and the idea behind the discussion was to get input on the definitions and give people a rough sketch of what is considered by Peers and what they should consider before recommending someone.

I thought it was a good idea, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. :-)

Morgan Blaidd Du
Protege and Ghillie to
Baron James Ulrich MacKellar and
Baroness Rachel Ashton

Fei g'wneir

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Greg Olsen 
  To: artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:52 AM
  Subject: [Artemisia] Re: thought for discussion-


  > I hope to get input in defining the Five Pillars of 
  > Peerage, so that folks have more information on what 
  > they should be looking for when they start considering 
  > recommending people for awards. 

  It sounds to me like you are asking for *how much* Prowess, or whatever someone should have.  Or optionally which factors of Prowess *must* a candidate have. 

  You've already had Prowess defined by you by several peers... ability, body of work, teaching, amount of research/practice, etc.  None of this is a stretch really; it's whatever goes into practicing/performing/passing on your skill, be it cooking, fighting, or autocratting. Some peers may add more things to the list but the basics almost everyone agrees on. And it is also agreed that it Prowess can't be considered by itself, it mainly serves perhaps a starting point and to define what Orders may people fit into.

  These things aren't a checklist, but if we see a promising person we are pretty much bound to let them know where they could improve, until they stop listening anyway, and even then still maybe. So I guess, I'm not sure what else you want to know. And if I'm right about what I think you are asking, you aren't going to get an answer to those questions.

  I'd also like to reiterate that the discussion is going to be hamstrung if you try to stick to the so called "5 Pillars" because that idea is not universally held by the Peerages.  Each Peer has at least a slightly different take on what they are, how many etc.  You just got lucky that Prowess most everyone agrees on.

  Gregory 



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