[Artemisia] Positive steps; plus the Bog of Bureaucratic Absurdity ; -)

[John Harrison]

As one that was at Estrella, it seemed like a hit...I saw many kids
running around with their info put on them by our lovely ladies...

-Garath

On 4/18/07, Stephanae Baker <stephanae at countryrhoades.net> wrote:
> About IDing kids, I just wanted to mention (and I hope I'm not
> repeating anyone since I'm new on the list) that our Henna Grrrls in
> Cote du Ciel volunteered to henna ID on the kids at Estrella War. It
> was popular with kids and parents alike, although the word didn't get
> around as much as we'd have liked. I can't make promises on their
> behalf, but I believe they're willing to do that at any event where
> they're merchanting.
>
> Belladonna di Francia
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Xplex at aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 4/18/2007 3:04:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> > artemisia-request at lists.gallowglass.org [Bethoc] writes:
> >
> >>> As far as the sign in and out of the youth center.... I
> >>> wish.....  we've
> > tried to implement that as well..
> > [...]
> > I know who their parents are, and I also know what activities they
> > were
> > involved in that might have earned them a signature in their pages
> > programs,  etc.
> > <<
> >
> > Yes, I can imagine that the sign-in/sign-out thing would be much more
> > difficult in the context of an SCA event -- especially a large,
> > outdoor one. I'd
> > think it might be more workable for some activities than others,
> > but there are
> > certainly some situations where it's just not practical, due to
> > families
> > coming and going, and kids doing a bit of this here, and a bit of
> > that there...
> > And it's easier to patrol, say, a church building where Girl Scouts
> > are
> > congregating, than it is to patrol the grounds of a large park area...
> >
> > There's definitely appeal to the "free range kids" aspect,
> > too...  :-)  I'd
> > think the "education" approach, combined with the "buddy  system,"
> > is probably
> > the best bet, under those conditions, so that  families and kids
> > know what to
> > watch for, and how to deal with situations that  arise, and so that
> > the kids
> > have some backup.
> >
> > As for the IDing of kids -- it was easier with Girl Scouts,
> > because  they're
> > not doing garb, and they don't care if they're all wearing pretty
> > much  the
> > same thing! :-)  I think we pondered the tabards and favors
> > approaches,  as
> > well, and came to similar conclusions... but it's sorta floating
> > around  in the
> > Arrows' Flight sub-conversational ether at this point :-) , so
> > maybe  something
> > workable will occur to someone, one of these days! And yes,
> > getting  the kids
> > to put up with whatever it is (or better yet, be enthusiastic
> > about it!) is
> > the challenge! :-)
> >
> > =====
> > I should clarify, on the other point:
> >
> >
> >
> >>> it wouldn't take much to prove it wasn't you. less of  course the
> >>> person
> > who stole your identity looks just like  you.<<
> >
> > You're correct that the exact examples don't apply directly  here (for
> > instance -- no, a bad credit report shouldn't have any effect in
> > this context). The
> > examples are more cautionary tales about systems gone awry,  in
> > real life
> > experience -- for each of the examples, whereas it should be,  as
> > you indicate, a
> > straightforward matter to fix errors, it all too often turns  out
> > to be a
> > surprisingly bothersome pain in the neck.
> >
> > Especially if you have to sleuth out what's on your "record," in
> > the first
> > place, before you can fix it, which would be the case if the only
> > returned
> > data is a mysterious "fail." The "pass/fail" aspect of the thing,
> > as  announced,
> > is what has me the most concerned, for that reason.
> >
> >
> >
> > Having been through an incredibly frustrating attempt to correct an
> > identity-related problem before, myself, where it really
> > *shouldn't* have taken  much
> > to resolve the problem, but it turned out to, anyway -- and since
> > I  know
> > people who are stuck in similar Bogs of Bureaucratic Absurdity :-
> > P ,  also not of
> > their own making -- I no longer assume these kinds of systems
> > function in the
> > well-managed way one might reasonably suppose they  would.
> >
> > Sigh...
> >
> > I just figure the most constructive time to mention  these past
> > real-life
> > experiences of adverse effects is now, while the  planning is still
> > in the works,
> > when such things can be more easily taken  into consideration. (Partly
> > because, for me, it makes me nuts when people  wait to pipe up
> > until after the fact,
> > to tell me all about how I did  something all wrong, instead of
> > contributing
> > their input at the time,  when it could have made a difference! :-
> > P :-)  )
> >
> > CJ the Jaded ;-)
> >
> >
> >
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