[Artemisia] Artemisia Digest, Vol 126, Issue 8
Jackman-Brink, Julia
Julia.Jackman-Brink at mso.umt.edu
Tue Mar 18 08:34:13 CDT 2014
I think it got trimmed off. I'll see if I can find the original. Ultimately I would like to see something that would allow the kingdom to have an event, that isn't in competition with Southern Collegia. As it is now, Southern Collegia is super successful, but that success also undercuts the November Collegia, no matter where it's held, as people don't travel to it when they can get it at home. That's just the way it is, but it's the truth too.
I'd like to see an alternation of November Collegia and the current Southern Collegia. Make it a winter/spring rotation, but not in the same year. See if we can make Collegia a multi day "KINGDOM" event like it used to be back when we were a principality (yeah, I'm feeling nostalgic), get those classes or tracks that take a day or two to work out.
But that's just my two cents....
Juliana
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Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Artemisia Digest, Vol 126, Issue 8
Calendar changes
What happened to collegium?
We are a non-profit tax exempt group because of our educational focus.
Take that away, and we lose our tax exempt status.
Casamira
Kingdom Minister of Arts and Sciences
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> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:07:16 -0600
> From: Jeanine Schlauch <jeanines at cableone.net>
> Subject: [Artemisia] Kingdom Calendar Change Proposal (long)
> To: The Aerie <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>, Jeanine Schlauch
> <jeanines at cableone.net>, Artemisia Seneschal
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> Greetings to the Kingdom,
>
> I would like to restart the conversation around Master Braden's
> proposal to change the dates of our Kingdom events.
>
> We, the populace, are the Kingdom and we, the populace, have not been
> attending events as much as we used to. Of course, the economy is in
> part to blame - less money, high gas prices, you betcha. However, I
> firmly believe that the current Kingdom schedule carries a lot of that burden.
>
> To refresh everyone's memory, the Kingdom Calendar for past few years
> has been Coronation in March; Crown in April; A&S in May and
> Coronation in September; Crown in October; Collegium in November;
> with various champion tournaments spread out over the year at whatever event might have room.
>
> *Current Problems*
>
> Not very many people can attend 3 Kingdom in a row - even if they weren't
> spread out over such a huge distance. A&S and especially Collegium suffer
> the most, being lightly attended in the first place and last in line in the
> second. The idea of a Champions Weekend has merit - however, I do not
> believe it will go far enough to solve our current problems.
>
> Affordable sites are hard to come by - especially at the last minute.
> The stress level for a group asked to host a Coronation with just a
> few months notice is incredible and IMO, unfair and unnecessary.
>
> We live in the Northwest - we are going to have snow whenever it
> feels like snowing; January does not hold the monopoly on bad weather
> - just ask the folks from Montana if they made it to Coronation in
> March or the folks who tore down Uprising in a snow storm.
>
>
> Less Coordination/Communication between groups regarding events in
> general and Premier events in particular
>
> As it stands now, the Winter Reign has Harvest War, GWW and
> sometimes Battlemoor; while the Summer Reign has Estrella (sometimes),
> Gulf Wars (again, sometimes); Uprising, Lilies; AnTir/West and
> Pennsic;
>
>
> *Proposed Changes*
>
> Kingdom weekend moves to the *3rd weekend* of the month
>
> Coronations are rotated throughout the Kingdom, same as Crowns
>
> January Coronation (MLK's weekend)
>
> April Crown
>
> July Coronation
>
> October Crown
>
> Champion Tourneys and Kingdom meetings (Seneschal(e)s; Reeves;
> Officers in general and Calendar discussions) - Labor Day weekend
>
> * 2015 Examples *
>
> Coronation Jan 17-19
>
> Crown Tourney Apr 18-19
>
> Coronation July 18-19
>
> Champions Weekend Sept 5-7
>
> Crown Tourney Oct 17-18
>
>
>
> *Benefits of this change*
>
> Spreads the Kingdom events evenly over the year;
>
> Eases the stress on the pocket book - 3 Kingdom events back to
> back over 3 months means fewer folk are able to attend all 3.
>
>
> We get our Kingdom birthday back
>
>
> The 3rd weekend of the month is not used for Crown events in any
> other close Kingdom
>
>
> Makes use of two 3 day weekends - especially the one in January;
>
>
> Lessens the amount of time, money and effort required of the
> Heirs and Crowns - widening the pool of potential candidates;
> (frankly, 3 months as Heirs is more than long enough)
>
> Allows each set of Crowns to go to multiple Wars throughout the
> Kingdom and the Known Worlde. Estrella, Gulf Wars, Lilies, Uprising and
> West/An Tir during one; Pennsic; Raptor War, Harvest, Battlemoor and
> GWW in the other
>
> Adding Coronation to the rotation eases the incredible stress on
> local groups/stewards and allows for long-term planning and
> acquisitions of sites; (anyone remember Pugmire campground? They have
> a waiting list)
>
>
> It is my hope that we, as the members of this Kingdom, will discuss
> the merits of this proposal and if it is accepted - petition the
> Crown, the Heirs and the Seneschale to make these changes as soon as possible.
>
>
> Thank you for your time and attention.
>
>
> Most sincerely,
>
> Viscountess Morgan du Marc, OP
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:12:47 -0600
> From: Morgan <morganblaidddu at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Kingdom Calendar Change Proposal (long)
> To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list
> <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
> Message-ID: <mj8jx2s8me1r67x7gvewtegk.1395083567174 at email.android.com>
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> In reply to the Proposal-Assigned Coronations; while all of Her
> Excellency's points are fully valid, they overlook one of (I believe)
> the more meaningful benefits of winning Crown Tournament- Your
> Coronation Your way, in the place You choose. Despite all of the
> evidence to the contrary (insert the Duke of your choice here), we
> have to assume that the Prince and Princess will only be having this
> experience once. Having Their Coronation in Their home group, where
> Their family, including non-SCA family, can attend, can be an emotionally major part of Their ceremony.
> Regarding the rest of her proposal, my only point to consider is that
> weather should be removed from the evaluation of the suitability of
> any dates; as she noted, we've had beautiful days in mid-January and
> snow storms in mid-June, so we should just ignore weather in
> considering event feasability.
> Of course, I could be wrong.
> Morgan " no, the *other* other one" Blaidd Du
>
> Jeanine Schlauch <jeanines at cableone.net> wrote:
>
> >Greetings to the Kingdom,
> >
> >I would like to restart the conversation around Master Braden's
> >proposal
> to
> >change the dates of our Kingdom events.
> >
> >We, the populace, are the Kingdom and we, the populace, have not been
> >attending events as much as we used to. Of course, the economy is in
> >part to blame - less money, high gas prices, you betcha. However, I
> >firmly believe that the current Kingdom schedule carries a lot of that burden.
> >
> >To refresh everyone's memory, the Kingdom Calendar for past few years
> >has been Coronation in March; Crown in April; A&S in May and
> >Coronation in September; Crown in October; Collegium in November;
> >with various champion tournaments spread out over the year at whatever event might have room.
> >
> >*Current Problems*
> >
> > Not very many people can attend 3 Kingdom in a row - even if they
> weren't
> >spread out over such a huge distance. A&S and especially Collegium
> suffer
> >the most, being lightly attended in the first place and last in line
> >in
> the
> >second. The idea of a Champions Weekend has merit - however, I do not
> >believe it will go far enough to solve our current problems.
> >
> > Affordable sites are hard to come by - especially at the last minute.
> >The stress level for a group asked to host a Coronation with just a
> >few months notice is incredible and IMO, unfair and unnecessary.
> >
> > We live in the Northwest - we are going to have snow whenever it
> >feels like snowing; January does not hold the monopoly on bad weather
> >- just ask the folks from Montana if they made it to Coronation in
> >March or the folks who tore down Uprising in a snow storm.
> >
> >
> > Less Coordination/Communication between groups regarding events in
> >general and Premier events in particular
> >
> > As it stands now, the Winter Reign has Harvest War, GWW and
> >sometimes Battlemoor; while the Summer Reign has Estrella
> >(sometimes), Gulf Wars (again, sometimes); Uprising, Lilies;
> >AnTir/West and Pennsic;
> >
> >
> > *Proposed Changes*
> >
> > Kingdom weekend moves to the *3rd weekend* of the month
> >
> > Coronations are rotated throughout the Kingdom, same as Crowns
> >
> > January Coronation (MLK's weekend)
> >
> > April Crown
> >
> > July Coronation
> >
> > October Crown
> >
> > Champion Tourneys and Kingdom meetings (Seneschal(e)s; Reeves;
> >Officers in general and Calendar discussions) - Labor Day weekend
> >
> >* 2015 Examples *
> >
> > Coronation Jan 17-19
> >
> > Crown Tourney Apr 18-19
> >
> > Coronation July 18-19
> >
> > Champions Weekend Sept 5-7
> >
> > Crown Tourney Oct 17-18
> >
> >
> >
> > *Benefits of this change*
> >
> > Spreads the Kingdom events evenly over the year;
> >
> > Eases the stress on the pocket book - 3 Kingdom events back to
> >back over 3 months means fewer folk are able to attend all 3.
> >
> >
> > We get our Kingdom birthday back
> >
> >
> > The 3rd weekend of the month is not used for Crown events in any
> other
> >close Kingdom
> >
> >
> > Makes use of two 3 day weekends - especially the one in
> > January;
> >
> >
> > Lessens the amount of time, money and effort required of the
> >Heirs and Crowns - widening the pool of potential candidates;
> >(frankly, 3
> months
> >as Heirs is more than long enough)
> >
> > Allows each set of Crowns to go to multiple Wars throughout the
> >Kingdom and the Known Worlde. Estrella, Gulf Wars, Lilies, Uprising and
> >West/An Tir during one; Pennsic; Raptor War, Harvest, Battlemoor and
> >GWW
> in
> >the other
> >
> > Adding Coronation to the rotation eases the incredible stress on
> local
> >groups/stewards and allows for long-term planning and acquisitions of
> >sites; (anyone remember Pugmire campground? They have a waiting
> >list)
> >
> >
> >It is my hope that we, as the members of this Kingdom, will discuss
> >the merits of this proposal and if it is accepted - petition the
> >Crown, the Heirs and the Seneschale to make these changes as soon as possible.
> >
> >
> >Thank you for your time and attention.
> >
> >
> >Most sincerely,
> >
> >Viscountess Morgan du Marc, OP
> >_______________________________________________
> >Artemisia mailing list
> >Artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
> >http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/artemisia
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Christine Fitzgerald <catherineasherbeck03 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Kingdom Calendar Change Proposal (long)
> To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list
> <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>, Jeanine Schlauch
> <jeanines at cableone.net>, Artemisia Seneschal
> <seneschal at artemisia.sca.org>, "crown at artemisia.sca.org"
> <crown at artemisia.sca.org>
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>
> To schedual Coronation without the in-put of the people involved is
> just asking for trouble! Other kingdoms have tried scheduling
> Coronation before their are heirs, it? has proven to be an anounce at
> best and a disaster at worst. If the heirs are already multi Dukes/esses not so much a problem.
> But if they are first timers they are going to want it to be local so
> all their people can attend. It will end up being changed at the last moment.
> Leaving the group who were supposed to hold the event holding the bag
> instead. It has happened and will again. Then there are hard feelings
> as well as a finical buhaa.! Our schedual is not perfect but it has
> been worked out over many years. I will say that A&S is not going to
> be any better attended if you move it around on the calender.1. Most
> people are not intrested in entering, for various reasons. 2.Frankly,
> most of us (except those entered) find it generally a? boring event.
> And they don't attend unless it is really close to home. And even
> then the numbers of attendies is always low. 3. Unless there are more
> things for the populace to do they wont waste their time & money
> going. And the problem here is that the autocrats are usually swamped
> with the A&S stuff to do more. I once threw a A&S show & tell,(no
> compition & no criticism) & loads of people showed up for it. Many
> more than had ever shown up for a compatition. Just goes to show that
> most of us aren't intersted in competing. I personaly don't want to
> spend a lot of blood, sweet, tears, money, & time on a project to have
> it torn apart (sometimes litteraly, and it has happened to me as well
> as others).One could have differant households throw sideline events
> at A&S, to bring in the populace. We did it in the past a few times & it worked. 4. A 6 mths.
> spread gives the winners enough time to arrange their scheduls. Make
> new great Garb, arrange for a site (3mths. would put a crimp in all of that).
> ?People do like to schedual at least 6 mths, in advance, even if they
> are just hanging out. How about A&S in Sept. instead. The weather is
> generally more pleasant. It could be a camping event then. And we
> could do it over a weekend.And then other things (fighting, dancing,
> classes,etc.) could be scheduled also.
> ?I have played for over 35 years and have found that in that time A&S
> events in this kingdom at least aren't any fun generally! You want
> more people to attend you should volenteer to throw the next one.
> Check out how other kingdoms do it (esp. the ones who have many people
> show up) and go from there.
> ?Yes we have become stagnat here but until other people are willing to
> step up & do it it aint gonna change!
> ?Just our thoughts! How about others in-put! Lady Cate & Sir fitz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 17, 2014 11:07 AM, Jeanine Schlauch <
> jeanines at cableone.net> wrote:
>
> Greetings to the Kingdom,
>
> I would like to restart the conversation around Master Braden's
> proposal to change the dates of our Kingdom events.
>
> We, the populace, are the Kingdom and we, the populace, have not been
> attending events as much as we used to.? Of course, the economy is in
> part to blame - less money, high gas prices, you betcha.? However, I
> firmly believe that the current Kingdom schedule carries a lot of that burden.
>
> To refresh everyone's memory, the Kingdom Calendar for past few years
> has been Coronation in March; Crown in April; A&S in May and
> Coronation in September; Crown in October;? Collegium in November;
> with various champion tournaments spread out over the year at whatever event might have room.
>
> *Current Problems*
>
> ? Not very many people can attend 3 Kingdom in a row - even if they
> weren't spread out over such a huge distance.? A&S and especially
> Collegium suffer the most, being lightly attended in the first place
> and last in line in the second.? The idea of a Champions Weekend has
> merit - however, I do not believe it will go far enough to solve our current problems.
>
> ? Affordable sites are hard to come by - especially at the last minute.
> The stress level for a group asked to host a Coronation with just a
> few months notice is incredible and IMO, unfair and unnecessary.
>
> ? We live in the Northwest - we are going to have snow whenever it
> feels like snowing; January does not hold the monopoly on bad weather
> - just ask the folks from Montana if they made it to Coronation in
> March or the folks who tore down Uprising in a snow storm.
>
>
> ? Less Coordination/Communication between groups regarding events in
> general and Premier events in particular
>
> ? As it stands now, the Winter Reign has? Harvest War, GWW and
> sometimes Battlemoor; while the Summer Reign has Estrella (sometimes),
> Gulf Wars (again, sometimes); Uprising, Lilies; AnTir/West and
> Pennsic;
>
>
> *Proposed Changes*
>
> ? ? Kingdom weekend moves to the *3rd weekend* of the month
>
> ? ? Coronations are rotated throughout the Kingdom, same as Crowns
>
> ? ? January Coronation (MLK's weekend)
>
> ? ? April Crown
>
> ? ? July Coronation
>
> ? ? October Crown
>
> ? ? Champion Tourneys and Kingdom meetings (Seneschal(e)s; Reeves;
> Officers in general and Calendar discussions) - Labor Day weekend
>
> * 2015 Examples *
>
> ? ? ? ? Coronation Jan 17-19
>
> ? ? ? ? Crown Tourney Apr 18-19
>
> ? ? ? ? Coronation July 18-19
>
> ? ? ? ? Champions Weekend Sept 5-7
>
> ? ? ? ? Crown Tourney Oct 17-18
>
>
>
> *Benefits of this change*
>
> ? ? ? Spreads the Kingdom events evenly over the year;
>
> ? ? ? Eases the stress on the pocket book - 3 Kingdom events back to
> back over 3 months means fewer folk are able to attend all 3.
>
>
> ? ? ? We get our Kingdom birthday back
>
>
> ? ? The 3rd weekend of the month is not used for Crown events in any
> other close Kingdom
>
>
> ? ? ? Makes use of two 3 day weekends - especially the one in January;
>
>
> ? ? ? Lessens the amount of time, money and effort required of the
> Heirs and Crowns - widening the pool of potential candidates;?
> (frankly, 3 months as Heirs is more than long enough)
>
> ? ? Allows each set of Crowns to go to multiple Wars throughout the
> Kingdom and the Known Worlde.? Estrella, Gulf Wars, Lilies, Uprising
> and West/An Tir during one; Pennsic; Raptor War, Harvest, Battlemoor
> and GWW in the other
>
> ? ? Adding Coronation to the rotation eases the incredible stress on
> local groups/stewards and allows for long-term planning and
> acquisitions of sites; (anyone remember Pugmire campground?? They have
> a waiting list)
>
>
> It is my hope that we, as the members of this Kingdom, will discuss
> the merits of this proposal and if it is accepted - petition the
> Crown, the Heirs and the Seneschale to make these changes as soon as possible.
>
>
> Thank you for your time and attention.
>
>
> Most sincerely,
>
> Viscountess Morgan du Marc, OP
> _______________________________________________
> Artemisia mailing list
> Artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org
> http://lists.gallowglass.org/mailman/listinfo/artemisia
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:29:03 -0600
> From: Jacquie Ziegler <shauna at bresnan.net>
> Subject: Re: [Artemisia] Kingdom Calendar Change Proposal (long)
> To: Kingdom of Artemisia mailing list
> <artemisia at lists.gallowglass.org>
> Message-ID: <53274CFF.2040609 at bresnan.net>
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>
> On 3/17/2014 11:07, Jeanine Schlauch wrote:
> > Greetings to the Kingdom,
> >
> > I would like to restart the conversation around Master Braden's
> > proposal
> to
> > change the dates of our Kingdom events.
> >
> > We, the populace, are the Kingdom and we, the populace, have not
> > been attending events as much as we used to. Of course, the economy
> > is in
> part
> > to blame - less money, high gas prices, you betcha. However, I
> > firmly believe that the current Kingdom schedule carries a lot of that burden.
> >
> > To refresh everyone's memory, the Kingdom Calendar for past few
> > years has been Coronation in March; Crown in April; A&S in May and
> > Coronation in September; Crown in October; Collegium in November;
> > with various
> champion
> > tournaments spread out over the year at whatever event might have room.
> >
> > *Current Problems*
> >
> > Not very many people can attend 3 Kingdom in a row - even if they
> weren't
> > spread out over such a huge distance. A&S and especially Collegium
> suffer
> > the most, being lightly attended in the first place and last in line
> > in
> the
> > second. The idea of a Champions Weekend has merit - however, I do not
> > believe it will go far enough to solve our current problems.
> >
> > Affordable sites are hard to come by - especially at the last minute.
> > The stress level for a group asked to host a Coronation with just a
> > few months notice is incredible and IMO, unfair and unnecessary.
> >
> > We live in the Northwest - we are going to have snow whenever it
> > feels like snowing; January does not hold the monopoly on bad
> > weather - just
> ask
> > the folks from Montana if they made it to Coronation in March or the
> folks
> > who tore down Uprising in a snow storm.
> >
> >
> > Less Coordination/Communication between groups regarding events
> > in general and Premier events in particular
> >
> > As it stands now, the Winter Reign has Harvest War, GWW and
> > sometimes Battlemoor; while the Summer Reign has Estrella
> > (sometimes), Gulf Wars (again, sometimes); Uprising, Lilies;
> > AnTir/West and Pennsic;
> >
> >
> > *Proposed Changes*
> >
> > Kingdom weekend moves to the *3rd weekend* of the month
> >
> > Coronations are rotated throughout the Kingdom, same as Crowns
> >
> > January Coronation (MLK's weekend)
> >
> > April Crown
> >
> > July Coronation
> >
> > October Crown
> >
> > Champion Tourneys and Kingdom meetings (Seneschal(e)s; Reeves;
> > Officers in general and Calendar discussions) - Labor Day weekend
> >
> > * 2015 Examples *
> >
> > Coronation Jan 17-19
> >
> > Crown Tourney Apr 18-19
> >
> > Coronation July 18-19
> >
> > Champions Weekend Sept 5-7
> >
> > Crown Tourney Oct 17-18
> >
> >
> >
> > *Benefits of this change*
> >
> > Spreads the Kingdom events evenly over the year;
> >
> > Eases the stress on the pocket book - 3 Kingdom events back
> > to
> back
> > over 3 months means fewer folk are able to attend all 3.
> >
> >
> > We get our Kingdom birthday back
> >
> >
> > The 3rd weekend of the month is not used for Crown events in
> > any
> other
> > close Kingdom
> >
> >
> > Makes use of two 3 day weekends - especially the one in
> > January;
> >
> >
> > Lessens the amount of time, money and effort required of the
> > Heirs and Crowns - widening the pool of potential candidates;
> > (frankly, 3
> months
> > as Heirs is more than long enough)
> >
> > Allows each set of Crowns to go to multiple Wars throughout the
> > Kingdom and the Known Worlde. Estrella, Gulf Wars, Lilies, Uprising and
> > West/An Tir during one; Pennsic; Raptor War, Harvest, Battlemoor and
> > GWW
> in
> > the other
> >
> > Adding Coronation to the rotation eases the incredible stress
> > on
> local
> > groups/stewards and allows for long-term planning and acquisitions
> > of sites; (anyone remember Pugmire campground? They have a waiting
> > list)
> >
> >
> > It is my hope that we, as the members of this Kingdom, will discuss
> > the merits of this proposal and if it is accepted - petition the
> > Crown, the Heirs and the Seneschale to make these changes as soon as possible.
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your time and attention.
> >
> >
> > Most sincerely,
> >
> > Viscountess Morgan du Marc, OP
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> While I agree that this is something to discuss - and you make some
> valid points - I would like to bring up a couple of points that might
> otherwise go missing in this conversation.
>
> Having Kingdom events highlighted on the third weekend would
> effectively eliminate a large number of people from being able to
> attend. Those on a fixed income generally get paid on the first of the
> month, and this ties into ability to attend events.
>
> Also, it is something that is pretty much SCA-wide, having the Kingdom
> events on the first weekend. At some point in the past, information
> had been given from Corporate that it was a incorporating-document
> requirement. Now, this may be a 'long-ago, no longer valid' item/idea,
> or it might still be in existence. I would appreciate some in-depth
> look/discussion on this before we, as a Kingdom, make such a dramatic
> change.
>
> Baroness Shauna of Carrick Point
> long-time Artemisian (no, I'm not dead yet!) :-D
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Jeanne Panlener / Baroness Casamira Jawjalny, O.L., O.P., G.A.
Artemisian Minister of Arts & Sciences
The Pun is mightier than the Sword!
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