[Artemisia] Artemisia Digest, Vol 136, Issue 7

[Kayla Williams]

We have different opinions on children. Because I am a parent of 3 children
I understand when other parents bring their children to restaurants, they
don't bother me, but the parents do! You assume that all children are messy
and would ruin a fancy outfit. One we can't afford fancy outfits and two we
didn't have issues with children last year at the ball, it was the teens
that took over our table. Put their feet on our things and threw my
children's hot chocolate cups around getting drops on my cloak and hitting
me with them! My children are better behaved than most I've seen because we
enforce our rules with them. I've had plenty of people tell me let them
loose at events that they didn't mind. It was nice! This is not the first
issue I've had with arn hold. Its just one more thing added on. Fact is we
were thinking of attending the ball again only to find out we can't because
our children are not welcome, therefore we are not welcome. Its like we are
being punished because we are parents! And no we would not have felt
awkward or out of place for having the only children there. I will never
feel awkward for being a parent! Baby sitters are expensive and I want to
be able to enjoy all sca events I bring my children too. They are paid
members and therefore have the right to attend all events.
On Jan 16, 2015 7:58 PM, "CenturyLink Customer" <leishman10 at q.com> wrote:

> Gwendolyn,
>
> Sorry to hear you are having such a hard time of it... breaking into a new
> group and actually feeling like you are a part of 'the whole' can be a
> trying experience, that's for certain.
>
> I'm not saying it's right or wrong - the no kid thing - only this... at
> least they gave you some warning before you showed up and plopped yer hard
> earned money on that table.  I think it would have been worse for both you
> and  your kids to show up and have them be the only kids present? For me,
> that would be awkward as you know what.  At least with advance warning, you
> don't spend all that time, and cash prepping for it, only to feel more out
> of place than usual?
>
> That just might be another way to look at it?
>
> At the same time, also consider this... for the occassional high court
> event, where you might personally have spent anywhere from a few dollars to
> several hundred dollars (or more) to create that 'special gown' or
> gentlemanly attire, would you really want to provide the opportunity for
> someone else's child to unintentionally smear whatever happens to be in
> their hands, mouths (or other places) at the time all over it? Be honest
> now, it happens, and is rarely if ever intentional. I also would not want
> to be presented with the cleaning and/or replacement bill if such a thing
> were to happen and my own child was responsible (even innocently) If you
> are at a fancy resturant with your spouse celebrating some very special
> 'time away from the kids for a change with friends' only to find other
> people's kids running amuck and spoiling the ambiance for you? How does it
> make you feel (something you might want to try to find out.  And lastly,
> Even Cinderella wasn't a child when she finally got to go to her first
> ball.. and neither was anybody else there.  Gives a kid something to look
> forward to in their future?
>
> Yet again, other perspectives?
>
> Haven't read completely through all the charters recently, but I don't
> remember anything about all events have to be 'family friendly' have you
> found such a reference? Julianna should be able to tell you whether or not
> it's a 'requirement'. I do however wish you a ton of luck working more
> 'diplomatically' with your local group so that they have a better
> understanding as to your point of view and perhaps also that of your
> children.
>
> As a parent and a grand parent as well as a prior youth officer both at my
> local barony and kingdom level, I can tell you that there will come a time
> when putting up the cash or finding someone you can trust that will do it
> for free... so you can leave the kids with a sitter... is indeed the 'right
> thing to do.
>
> Best wishes to all of you.
>
> Bethoc
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